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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > {:-]))) wrote:   
   >> noname asked:   
   >>> Watson's CT has:   
   >>>   
   >>>> ... Yet the stupid believe they are awake,   
   >>>> busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man   
   >>>> ruler, that one herdsman - how dense! Confucius and you are both   
   >>>> dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words   
   >>>> like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. Yet, after ten   
   >>>> thousand generations, a great sage may appear who will know their   
   >>>> meaning, and it will still be as though he appeared with astonishing   
   >>>> speed.'   
   >>>   
   >>> Does "the Supreme Swindle" refer to, or parallel, the story of the   
   >>> garden-of-eden and the telling of the one Lie?   
   >>   
   >> If someone cared to make it do that, sure.   
   >> I'm uncertain how exactly.   
   >   
   > Here's a way it could be done.   
   >   
   > Use what I call a Hindu, dramatic, world-view.   
   > It is able to encompass both the ceramic and organic models.   
   >   
   > Taoism and Christianity can be blended, as Tang might like,   
   > along with other eclectics and syncretists, or not.   
   >   
   > In this scenario, there exists an Indra, called Tetragrammaton, who   
   > considers Himself to be the Supreme Deity and creates a garden.   
   >   
   > That's your basic supreme being   
   > not knowing he isn't supreme sort of a situation.   
   >   
   > Above and beyond this Indra/YHWH character is the Self/Brahman, who,   
   > in its personal form is the same as found in each Atman, or in its   
   > impersonal form can be called the same principle/core   
   > or true self, of dagnabit's paradigm, maybe.   
   >   
   > At any rate, in the garden story, you know the story.   
   >   
   > Taken literally, it's a silly story. Not taken literally, as many   
   > stories and sayings are not to be taken literally; what died was   
   > the child-like innocence of the folks in the garden as   
   > immediately their eyes were opened having   
   > tasted the fruit of the tree.   
      
   I'm not so sure about the story of the garden.  Maybe I don't remember it.   
      
   >   
   > In Zz's tale, when a great sage appears, even if it be after   
   > ten thousand generations, it is as if it was yesterday, once a form   
   > of the meaning is perceived and eyes are opened to the dramatic or   
   > dream-like nature of how merrily, merrily, merrily a boat is rowed.   
   >   
   > Each time one touches the bark of the tree, let alone eat its fruit,   
   > one is expelled from the garden. One is no longer child-like.   
   > One enters the tin-foiled life-death duality paradigm.   
   > Good and bad are the lens thru which one   
   > sees and experiences situations.   
   >   
   > Taoism says, uncarve the tree.   
   > Don't touch it. Forget about it. See the world   
   > but not using that standard of measure.   
   >   
   > The tree spells trouble in dream-land.   
   >   
   > - hth, fwiw   
   >   
      
   Sorry, I've had my head busy trying to unwind fractals lately, so to speak.   
      
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