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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Tang Huyen  wrote:   
   > On 11/9/2016 4:39 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >   
   >> The point was not too subtle; too useless. To have anything mean   
   >> anything makes discourse pointless.   
   >   
   > Oooohh, this is an whopper.  It is true, surely, that the   
   > spiritual masters do want to declare something, their   
   > respective path to the end-goal, be it awakening or   
   > grace or whatever. It is also true that they are   
   > inveterate eel-wrigglers who sleaze their way out of   
   > what they say, relentlessly, so as to leave no stone   
   > unturned (including stone tablets), to impress on   
   > their students the relative nature of anything in   
   > speech and thought, be it to their immediate students   
   > in their physical presence or to remote students far   
   > away in space, time, language, culture, custom, etc.   
   > So, in effect, they intentionally try to turn things   
   > upside down, including their own teaching, to make   
   > anything mean anything, so that their students have   
   > nothing to rely on -- imparting the unestablished   
   > thought/mind, as if by bodily transmission, by mind   
   > hits.   
   >   
   > "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a   
   > scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to   
   > mean – neither more nor less."   
   >   
   > "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make   
   > words mean so many different things."   
   >   
   > "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to   
   > be master – that's all."   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
   >   
      
   Is it gullibly stupid of me to assume that you both recognize the ambiguity   
   of brian's statement?   
      
   "To have anything mean anything makes discourse pointless."   
      
   To have anything [in particular] mean anything [specific] makes discourse   
   possible.   
   To have anything [at all] mean anything [at all] makes discourse   
   pointless...   
      
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