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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   brian mitchell  wrote:   
   > noname wrote:   
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   >> brian mitchell  wrote:   
   >>> noname wrote:   
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   >>>> brian mitchell  wrote:   
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   >>>>   
   >>>>> ..., so much as the total incapacity of   
   >>>>> thought to approach that which begins where thought ends.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Thought can eliminate the places it isn't...   
   >>>   
   >>> Sounds contradictory. Can you elaborate?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> What good will it do for me to speak of that about which too much is   
   >> already spoken to no effect?   
   >>   
   >> If you want to go to the place where there thought transcends itself, you   
   >> can start by eliminating all the places where it doesn't transcend itself...   
   >   
   > It's not real to me that thought can transcend itself,   
      
   Okay, it's not real to me either.  I don't think "thought" does transcend   
   itself, I think it gets done, or maybe just out of the way.  Usually   
   thought doesn't have the good sense to get out of the way, it doesn't know   
   how to "stop when the work is done", because thought doesn't know what the   
   work is.  We don't usually tell thought what to think about, we just tell   
   it to go ahead and think, so it makes shit up, sits around making lists of   
   potentialities, things that could happen, if this happens then we can do   
   that, and wouldn't it make a nice story if we also did this... thought   
   keeps mumbling this shit over and over to itself because hey, it's getting   
   paid by the hour and time's a wastin'.  It's when you learn to tell thought   
   what you want it  to think about that it goes off to think about that for   
   you and you can maybe get some work done for a change instead of just   
   babysitting an infinite problem solver with nothing to eat but the whole   
   universe of everything thought can think up to worry about.  The important   
   thing is to find the you who sits in the control seat and runs the thinker,   
   to get that you up out of the gears and grease of details, you have brains   
   ("i have people for that") to think out the details, and you don't need a   
   lot of that done if you're working on what needs to be worked on instead of   
   what sounds like a cute story you can tell yourself while you're sleeping.   
      
   > so perhaps you   
   > have a different notion of what thought is than I do. Can you say what   
   > thought is --without going into the various things it does? How does   
   > it transcend itself?   
      
   It doesn't transcend itself, you transcend it.   
      
   I'm curious about the part of my paragraph you snipped.  Maybe it was total   
   bullshit for all I can see in this post.  I'll go dig around for a while   
   and see if I can find it.  Of course that might cause this post to get   
   lost, but it's just bullshit too so no worries.   
      
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