XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen
From: invalid@invalid.invalid
brian mitchell wrote:
> noname wrote:
>
>> brian mitchell wrote:
>>
>>> That said, I did use the anecdote to piggy-back a question of my own
>>> regarding the form and substance of action performed by one that
>>> realizes their true nature. It doesn't seem to be a question that has
>>> caught the interest of anyone else, though.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have no recollection of your question. Would you care to state it fully?
>> The snip of it that I see there does little to identify the question.
>
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> One time, the Master rose from his chair in the dharma hall, lifted
> his robes, and began dancing, saying to the monks, 'Look! Look!'
> When the astonished monks stared at him dumbfounded the Master said,
> 'I am performing an action of the world without departing from the
> Way.'
>
> My question is: was the Master really dancing, the way young people
> dance in nightclubs, with intensity and absorbtion, with delight in
> the body and its allure? Or was he only imitating the outward form?
> _________________
>
> I should say that the question is not looking to be answered, only to
> be considered.
Hah! I remember answering it in a post that disappeared, LOL.
>
> The anecdote sets up an ostensible duality between the world and the
> Way. The master is apparently denying any such duality by performing
> an action of the world without departing from the Way. Does everyone
> who dances automatically follow the Way?
When you dance the boggie, you follow the music of the boogie.
When you dance the waltz, you follow the music of the waltz.
When you walk through rooms where the dancing is wild and the dancing is
sedate and the dancing seems chaotic, and you're always dancing to the same
music, while dancing to the music of where you are, maybe then you're
dancing in harmony with Tao.
> Why then even talk about such
> a thing as the Way?
Why even consider the possibility of a real woman when you have a tattered
Playboy centerfold? It's real, it's out there, it can be known; and like a
woman, you can't go shopping for one, all you can do is smell like bait and
see what happens. It's the very nature of the very real world. Things
happen to you because you smell like bait to them. You're giving off the
pheromones that attract events. You get the events you need. Now you get
to wonder how much of that is metaphoric bullshit and how much is simple
fact. Recognize that you believe whatever you believe and its absolute
truth is irrelevant to the fact that you believe it. Fix that or snuggle
deep into the covers of your sleep.
>
> If the master's dancing was of a kind with the ecstatic leaping up of
> Mt Sumeru, then he wasn't really performing an action of the world
> --the world in this case meaning the samsaric realm of ignorance and
> suffering.
>
> If the master was dancing as the world dances, an act of social --and
> most often of sexual-- display, or as release of physical tension
> and/or constraint, can he also be in unremoved accord with the Way?
There are words in the TTC about getting swallowed up by knowledge, can you
find them?
>
> It is said that Samsara and Nirvana are not different, but that
> not-different doesn't mean they're the same.
>
> Was the master really dancing?
>
I don't recall having been there to observe what the master did, did his
students call it dancing, or did they need to be told what it was? Was the
master teaching them the steps of the jig, or was he teaching them that
they had to be told what they were seeing?
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