XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: absfg_wilson@yahoo.com   
      
   On 11/12/2016 5:32 AM, noname wrote:   
   > brian mitchell  wrote:   
   >> noname wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> brian mitchell  wrote:   
   >>>> noname wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> brian mitchell  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> ..., so much as the total incapacity of   
   >>>>>> thought to approach that which begins where thought ends.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Thought can eliminate the places it isn't...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Sounds contradictory. Can you elaborate?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> What good will it do for me to speak of that about which too much is   
   >>> already spoken to no effect?   
   >>>   
   >>> If you want to go to the place where there thought transcends itself, you   
   >>> can start by eliminating all the places where it doesn't transcend   
   itself...   
   >>   
   >> It's not real to me that thought can transcend itself,   
   >   
   > Okay, it's not real to me either.  I don't think "thought" does transcend   
   > itself, I think it gets done, or maybe just out of the way.  Usually   
   > thought doesn't have the good sense to get out of the way, it doesn't know   
   > how to "stop when the work is done", because thought doesn't know what the   
   > work is.  We don't usually tell thought what to think about, we just tell   
   > it to go ahead and think, so it makes shit up, sits around making lists of   
   > potentialities, things that could happen, if this happens then we can do   
   > that, and wouldn't it make a nice story if we also did this... thought   
   > keeps mumbling this shit over and over to itself because hey, it's getting   
   > paid by the hour and time's a wastin'.  It's when you learn to tell thought   
   > what you want it  to think about that it goes off to think about that for   
   > you and you can maybe get some work done for a change instead of just   
   > babysitting an infinite problem solver with nothing to eat but the whole   
   > universe of everything thought can think up to worry about.  The important   
   > thing is to find the you who sits in the control seat and runs the thinker,   
   > to get that you up out of the gears and grease of details, you have brains   
   > ("i have people for that") to think out the details, and you don't need a   
   > lot of that done if you're working on what needs to be worked on instead of   
   > what sounds like a cute story you can tell yourself while you're sleeping.   
   >   
   >> so perhaps you   
   >> have a different notion of what thought is than I do. Can you say what   
   >> thought is --without going into the various things it does? How does   
   >> it transcend itself?   
   >   
   > It doesn't transcend itself, you transcend it.   
   >   
   > I'm curious about the part of my paragraph you snipped.  Maybe it was total   
   > bullshit for all I can see in this post.  I'll go dig around for a while   
   > and see if I can find it.  Of course that might cause this post to get   
   > lost, but it's just bullshit too so no worries.   
      
   So awareness can transcend thought.  That's my experience as well.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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