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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   dagnabit  wrote:   
   > "brian mitchell"  wrote in message   
   > news:re0f2c98d4lrgp4dbj6lf3l14fg1ka743t@4ax.com...   
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   >> "Kitty P" wrote:   
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   >>> "brian mitchell"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:rgvc2cp8busdrng14sng534clu6ph6c0h6@4ax.com...   
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   >>> noname wrote:   
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   >>>> brian mitchell  wrote:   
   >>>>> noname wrote:   
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   >>>>>> brian mitchell  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>> ..., so much as the total incapacity of   
   >>>>>>> thought to approach that which begins where thought ends.   
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   >>>>>> Thought can eliminate the places it isn't...   
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   >>>>> Sounds contradictory. Can you elaborate?   
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   >>>>   
   >>>> What good will it do for me to speak of that about which too much is   
   >>>> already spoken to no effect?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you want to go to the place where there thought transcends itself,   
   >>>> you   
   >>>> can start by eliminating all the places where it doesn't transcend   
   >>>> itself...   
   >>>   
   >>> It's not real to me that thought can transcend itself, so perhaps you   
   >>> have a different notion of what thought is than I do. Can you say what   
   >>> thought is --without going into the various things it does? How does   
   >>> it transcend itself?   
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   >>> The only time I can stop thought is when meditating. My ex husband was   
   >>> great   
   >>> at it with alcohol.  I would love to know how to magically transcend it   
   >>> by   
   >>> what? More thought?  Really am interested in knowing..   
   >>   
   >> It's often stated that by observing thought one comes to perceive the   
   >> silence between thoughts but I've not (yet?) had that experience. What   
   >> I've found is that even when the chatter dies down there is still an   
   >> ever-present consciousness of self, which is simply a wordless   
   >> thought.   
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   > the wordless I am feeling is the beginning of intuitive apperception   
   > and from there more density can be relinquished until essence of   
   > mind is perceived and the state prior to concepts is noticed, so to   
   > speak.   
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   Another way to see it is that the thinker keeps on thinking because a   
   cold-boot takes too long, but once you remember how it's supposed to be   
   working to help you, you can send it off to count sand and get some peace   
   and quiet for a change.  The thinker doesn't go away as far as I can tell,   
   just because it's out of the way for a while doesn't mean it's disappeared.   
    The fact that it continues to chatter is only relevant while you listen to   
   it, and if you tell it to stop flattering you maybe it will.  If it's doing   
   its job, it certainly should.  imo.   
      
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