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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   {:-])))  wrote:   
   > Tang wrote:   
   >   
   >> I have often accused Jigme of hiding under Evelyn's skirt.   
   >> I have myself hidden under her skirt to proclaim exemplary   
   >> norms and standards of behaviour on Usenet, and also in   
   >> real life in the meat world. She articulates them with dead   
   >> precision. Of course I also claimed often to apply them back   
   >> to her.   
   >   
   > All I know of you and Evelyn is a distortion of my own mirror-world.   
   >   
   > When she would appear, here, in some cross-post,   
   > it was good to see her and she seemed nice enough to me.   
   >   
   > What horrors her story held in store, I only had glimpses of glimmers.   
   >   
   > How much you helped or hurt her in the process is really   
   > none of my business, except I'm a curious sort   
   > of a sorter who sorts thru stuff.   
   >   
   > Aye, prod and poke and occasionally strike a nerve   
   > if not one out of the ball park.   
   >   
   >> If I had money, I would hire you to follow me around to point   
   >> out my faults and errors to me.   
   >   
   > After I retired, people would ask me about doing stuff.   
   > I'd sometimes say that my rate is $1,000 for showing up   
   > and $1,000 per hour, with the first thou-   
   > sand being applied as it were with   
   > a grain of truth to the idea.   
   >   
   >> The rest of the time, it would   
   >> still be my plain-Jane me.   
   >   
   > If you think you have faults then that's how you think.   
   >   
   > Earth has her own faults and the lines drawn on maps   
   > might provide a clue for such as  *that*   
   > of sorts.   
   >   
   > No one blames Mother Earth for what she does.   
   >   
   > Why any one, ought, or, should, blame any   
   > so-called other, tends to occur after an   
   > uncarved block is carved.   
   >   
   > Seeing one's own self and all things as perfect   
   > can be a sort of a Shen, or sacred, spiritual, Way.   
   >   
   > Thinking one may be able to change the world,   
   > or change one's self can be how mud settles   
   > and paint dries, when one has Da De,   
   > without giving things a second   
   > thought at any time.   
   >   
   > - en passant   
   >   
      
   Thinking you can change the world without being changed by that act, one is   
   in ignorance, because the two are separations of one, parts of a total   
   reality: you, and world.  They are like balloons held against one another,   
   a bulge of pressure from the large results in compression of the small, and   
   vice versa.   
      
   To change the outward world without changing the inner self, it is the   
   middle world of tinfoil hat (aka functional programming, societal   
   conditioning, conditioning, collected knowledge, thought, thinking,   
   mentation, etc) that one must modify, so the bulges and shallows of the   
   inner self are correctly felt by that which impinges on the outer self.   
   Once the playground of maya has been removed from the focal position, the   
   world can be seen as it is, without feeling any need to change it.  Changes   
   continue to occur as they must, but causality is less distorted, and with   
   that the outer world seems nurturing instead of hostile.   
      
   There are references to this kind of thing in various places in the TTC,   
   when it talks about doing or not-doing or doing-without-doing.  There are   
   references to it in Buddhism when it talks about causation (Choices,   
   Dhammapada 1), and wherever it was that co-dependent-arisal is discussed.   
   There are Biblical references too but I don't even remember the words of   
   those, much less the details of their meanings.   
      
   In any case, the differentiation between self and world is conceptual, like   
   the sides of a coin, there is no head with out a tail, no pleasure without   
   pain, good without bad, etc.  The key to this is the borderline, between   
   inner self and world.  That borderline between self and other imagined as a   
   plane surface, of plastic that is soft; any pressures on that borderline   
   affect both: self affects other, other affects self.   
      
   The yin/yang symbol has many meanings, especially imagined in flux as yang   
   arises from yin and overextends its strength into the weakness that is the   
   yin of the overwhelmed; it is in equality that the conflict between yin and   
   yang takes on a finer dimension, like arm-wrestlers exactly matched,   
   struggling yet not moving.   
      
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