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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   Julian  wrote:   
   > On 14/11/2016 06:54, noname wrote:   
   >> Ned Ludd  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> "brian mitchell"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:tiaf2chpgmv112inlh0pfc0t2foasouvsi@4ax.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>> The only time I can stop thought is when meditating. My ex husband   
   >>>>>>> was great at it with alcohol.  I would love to know how to magically   
   >>>>>>> transcend it by what? More thought?  Really am interested in   
   >>>>>>> knowing..   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's often stated that by observing thought one comes to perceive the   
   >>>>>> silence between thoughts but I've not (yet?) had that experience. What   
   >>>>>> I've found is that even when the chatter dies down there is still an   
   >>>>>> ever-present consciousness of self, which is simply a wordless   
   >>>>>> thought.   
   >>>>>> What is interesting, though, and I think worth pursuing, is that   
   >>>>>> there's no essential difference between thought and perception. It's   
   >>>>>> the same mind that perceives thought inwardly or objects outwardly. A   
   >>>>>> thought is, after all, only an inward object. The bigger problem, I   
   >>>>>> come to think, is not that we have thoughts which need to be stopped,   
   >>>>>> but that our thinking so comprehensively monopolises attention. I   
   >>>>>> suppose it is inevitable that it would because it is a) the very   
   >>>>>> nearest object, and b) *my* object. So whether attention is captivated   
   >>>>>> inwardly or outwardly, we are the prisoners of objects.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Prisoner #1:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Let Your Mind Be Free   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It has been asked, "How should those who enter the path   
   >>>>> apply their minds?" All things are originally uncreated   
   >>>>> and presently undying. Just let your mind be free; you   
   >>>>> don't have to restrain it. See directly and hear directly;   
   >>>>> come directly and go directly. When you must go, then go;   
   >>>>> when you must stay, then stay.  This is the true path.   
   >>>>> A scripture says, "Conditional existence is the site of   
   >>>>> enlightenment, insofar as you know it as it really is."   
   >>>>> - Niu-t'ou Hui-chung   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But he doesn't mention thought and how it generates interiority.   
   >>>> I could come and go with the wind  "...but that I have dreams..."   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> If the eye does not sleep, all dreaming ceases naturally. To use   
   >>> thought to devise thoughts, what's more misguided than this?   
   >>> Ignorance creates rest and unrest; wisdom neither loves nor   
   >>> hates. All that belongs to the two extremes is inference falsely   
   >>> drawn - a dream-phantom, a flower in the air.  Why strive to   
   >>> grasp it in the hand?   
   >>>   
   >>> Ned   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> To feel its silken texture as it floats past.   
   >>   
   >> "If the eye does not sleep, all dreaming ceases naturally" is a great   
   >> expression of things, Ned.  Is this a quote from somewhere or is it your   
   >> wording?   
   >   
   > https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Xinxin_Ming   
   >   
   >   
      
   Is that where Ned's words came from?  I should build myself a website like   
   that, it  would keep everybody away.   
      
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