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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   noname wrote:   
      
   >Thinking you can change the world without being changed by that act, one is   
   >in ignorance, because the two are separations of one, parts of a total   
   >reality: you, and world.  They are like balloons held against one another,   
   >a bulge of pressure from the large results in compression of the small, and   
   >vice versa.   
      
   I like this post of yours, and now have a new two   
   words to describe a one, total reality, you and world are parts of.   
      
   >To change the outward world without changing the inner self, it is the   
   >middle world of tinfoil hat (aka functional programming, societal   
   >conditioning, conditioning, collected knowledge, thought, thinking,   
   >mentation, etc) that one must modify, so the bulges and shallows of the   
   >inner self are correctly felt by that which impinges on the outer self.   
   >Once the playground of maya has been removed from the focal position, the   
   >world can be seen as it is, without feeling any need to change it.  Changes   
   >continue to occur as they must, but causality is less distorted, and with   
   >that the outer world seems nurturing instead of hostile.   
      
   Lao Tzu's ma, ziran.   
      
   Ma Ziran, as her name would be, or   
   as known in the so-called western half of an undivided sphere,   
   Mother Nature. She nurtures all life as a whole.   
      
   >There are references to this kind of thing in various places in the TTC,   
   >when it talks about doing or not-doing or doing-without-doing.  There are   
   >references to it in Buddhism when it talks about causation (Choices,   
   >Dhammapada 1), and wherever it was that co-dependent-arisal is discussed.   
   >There are Biblical references too but I don't even remember the words of   
   >those, much less the details of their meanings.   
   >   
   >In any case, the differentiation between self and world is conceptual, like   
   >the sides of a coin, there is no head with out a tail, no pleasure without   
   >pain, good without bad, etc.   
      
   The above sentence is what I call, very enlightening.   
   It's so simple as to be profound, going unnoticed and without saying.   
      
   Taoism answers a question *that* for me, which was sought   
   when first setting foot on a non-physical path.   
      
   Where Hinduism as its dramatic, reality as play, sat-chit-ananda,   
   and Abe's ceramic theology has total reality made out of clay,   
   Taoism differs from both, essentially, with such a view.   
      
   Where Tang may see them all as emerging from the same form   
   of concret reifications in his head, for me, Taoism's language   
   shows how language and carving works on b'locks.   
      
   Unblocking words, untinkering toys, of the mind sighs.   
      
   > The key to this is the borderline, between   
   >inner self and world.  That borderline between self and other imagined as a   
   >plane surface, of plastic that is soft; any pressures on that borderline   
   >affect both: self affects other, other affects self.   
      
   Where Tang described himself as a plain Jane,   
   I might describe myself as a plane Jain.   
      
   It could sound the same, depending on one's English   
   spinning accent on a cue b'all, yet may mean different sorts   
   of things, at heart, in mind, the gonads, and else where   
   ever one wears various components of self.   
      
   >The yin/yang symbol has many meanings, especially imagined in flux as yang   
   >arises from yin and overextends its strength into the weakness that is the   
   >yin of the overwhelmed; it is in equality that the conflict between yin and   
   >yang takes on a finer dimension, like arm-wrestlers exactly matched,   
   >struggling yet not moving.   
      
   Shade and sun may be seen as eternally in conflict, dance,   
   complimenting, supplementing, adding to or subtracting from each   
   other as they swim happy as fishes in a water-world of sorts.   
      
   You and I are much the same and perhaps much different   
   in the ways we dissect a frog-world in its well being.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)