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   From: tanghuyen@gmail.com   
      
   On 11/20/2016 8:17 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
      
   > considering how little we know as humans, and can know,   
   > to finagle our intellect into areas of supposed intelligence   
   > to where we think we actually know things, or of things, may   
   > be only a self deception evidenced by the idea that our base   
   > of knowledge changes as time passes. what was thought of   
   > as fact in the past gets readjusted into new facts that may   
   > change again and again with either new information or a   
   > reformulation of old information. it's why the yogis term   
   > our perceptions of this "reality" as *ignorance* and thus   
   > it may behoove us to possibly take up a position of not   
   > knowing mind, or don't know mind in order to free up what   
   > may just be a continual misinterpretation of what we think   
   > we know. it's what oxtail was always speaking about with   
   > his don't know mind, but most just thought he was being   
   > argumentative or deceptive.   
      
   I have much respect for Oxycontin, and defended him a   
   few times, and once you said that I wanted a stooge   
   cheque from him. This "not knowing mind" jives with the   
   Buddha's "What and what they think it, it is otherwise."   
   The non-doing state of the Buddha and LZ, ZZ is also a   
   state of not-knowing. In a reasonably modern European   
   language, it is taught by Madame Guyon and Fénelon, in   
   three-century-old French.   
      
   It contrasts sharply with the realism and literalism of   
   Jewish mythology, where the Jewish Yahweh knows and   
   talks in absolute knowledge and certainty.   
      
   The funny thing about it as practice is the vicious circle   
   and virtuous circle. If you are innocent to begin with, you   
   can practice it with success. if you are not innocent but   
   harbour ulterior motives, like hiding your self-hatred, then   
   it merely helps you load up on your defence wall (here,   
   against knowing your self-hatred) and make it all the   
   thicker and more robust, which you would want in your   
   self-defence against knowing yourself.   
      
   Tang Huyen   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)