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   "Tang Huyen"  wrote in message   
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   > On 11/20/2016 8:17 AM, dagnabit wrote:   
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   > > considering how little we know as humans, and can know,   
   > > to finagle our intellect into areas of supposed intelligence   
   > > to where we think we actually know things, or of things, may   
   > > be only a self deception evidenced by the idea that our base   
   > > of knowledge changes as time passes. what was thought of   
   > > as fact in the past gets readjusted into new facts that may   
   > > change again and again with either new information or a   
   > > reformulation of old information. it's why the yogis term   
   > > our perceptions of this "reality" as *ignorance* and thus   
   > > it may behoove us to possibly take up a position of not   
   > > knowing mind, or don't know mind in order to free up what   
   > > may just be a continual misinterpretation of what we think   
   > > we know. it's what oxtail was always speaking about with   
   > > his don't know mind, but most just thought he was being   
   > > argumentative or deceptive.   
   >   
   > I have much respect for Oxycontin, and defended him a   
   > few times, and once you said that I wanted a stooge   
   > cheque from him. This "not knowing mind" jives with the   
   > Buddha's "What and what they think it, it is otherwise."   
   > The non-doing state of the Buddha and LZ, ZZ is also a   
   > state of not-knowing. In a reasonably modern European   
   > language, it is taught by Madame Guyon and Fénelon, in   
   > three-century-old French.   
   >   
   > It contrasts sharply with the realism and literalism of   
   > Jewish mythology, where the Jewish Yahweh knows and   
   > talks in absolute knowledge and certainty.   
   >   
   > The funny thing about it as practice is the vicious circle   
   > and virtuous circle. If you are innocent to begin with, you   
   > can practice it with success. if you are not innocent but   
   > harbour ulterior motives, like hiding your self-hatred, then   
   > it merely helps you load up on your defence wall (here,   
   > against knowing your self-hatred) and make it all the   
   > thicker and more robust, which you would want in your   
   > self-defence against knowing yourself.   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
      
   nisargadatta maharaj once said that if you are honest with   
   yourself, self realization is easy, but if you're not, it is   
   impossible.   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)