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   dagnabit  wrote:   
   > "{:-])))"  wrote in message   
   > news:5j743c5tk2fdtj355s9d1hk9022uicavts@4ax.com...   
   >>   
   >> dagnabit wrote:   
   >>> brian wrote:   
   >>>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>> dagnabit wrote:   
   >>>>>> {:-])))   
   >>>>>>> noname:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Some of us go beyond GIGO to AIGO.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I'm blanking on what the A stands for.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> - in the real world   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> abracadabra in   
   >>>>>> gestalt out   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is sometimes piquant to me that some Korean Son (Chan)   
   >>>>> followers, including Oxycontin, promote "not knowing mind"   
   >>>>> as the panacea. Not so much the idea itself, which I accept   
   >>>>> on some conditions, but the definition of it, as in JayLo's   
   >>>>> blanking out above. If your mind draws a blank, which merely   
   >>>>> means that you don't know something, does that mean "not   
   >>>>> knowing mind"? Does that qualify as "not knowing mind"?   
   >>>>> IOW, is not knowing something specific the same as not   
   >>>>> knowing in a general sense, a total absence of knowing,   
   >>>>> which I take to be a total absence of judging?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> As to my conditions, "not knowing mind" presupposes   
   >>>>> success, and offers no guardrail against failure. This   
   >>>>> becomes clearer when it is taken to be "not checking your   
   >>>>> mind", which is a frequent equivalent motto of it, as often   
   >>>>> used by Oxycontin. If you fail, you will never know it, for you   
   >>>>> don't turn your mind back to check on itself. You give   
   >>>>> yourself an automatic free pass. More specifically, if you   
   >>>>> practice it with an innocent mind free of ulterior motives   
   >>>>> (this is the presupposed success mentioned above), you're   
   >>>>> good to go, but if you have ulterior motives, like hiding your   
   >>>>> self-hatred, it won't work. IMO, of course.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Well, IMO, FWIW, it is not the mere absence of content.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You and I are walking along a street, reasonably amicably, when I   
   >>>> suddenly ask in a loud and urgent voice: "What's that on the wall?"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When you hear the question you are immediately alerted to the fact   
   >>>> that there is something, but something unknown, without form, so your   
   >>>> attention is collected but has no object. Naturally, you turn to look   
   >>>> for the object, to bring the unknown into the known, but while you are   
   >>>> turning to look, with collected but empty attention, there is   
   >>>> Don't-Know mind.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If, under the right conditions, instead of asking about an exterior   
   >>>> object, someone were to ask you with sufficient force: "What is the   
   >>>> mind?" and you turned collected but empty attention back onto itself   
   >>>> to look...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That would be interesting.   
   >>>   
   >>> in advaita vedanta steps are taken to relinquish identification   
   >>> with the human aspect of one's existence. a position of witness   
   >>> or watching is established to go one step back from the thinking,   
   >>> speaking and acting that the human aspect is engaging in, and then,   
   >>> as that witness to turn around and witness the witness and so on.   
   >>> in doing so there can be a clarity of focus in that there is no "one"   
   >>> who witnesses and it also takes place spontaneously the same as   
   >>> the ins and outs of the human expression.   
   >>>   
   >>> what you describe as an interim adjustment when getting ready to   
   >>> formulate perception onto an unknown object can be seen as a type   
   >>> of raw perception when exclusively inclusive to the unknown object,   
   >>> but actual don't know mind is the final stage of relinquishment of all   
   >>> perceptual data even when the mind turns to see itself, or awareness   
   >>> sees awareness, and a no-state state, so to speak ensues. in that   
   >>> no-state   
   >>> state all perceptions, ideas, thoughts, feelings and so on are absent.   
   >>> kind of like the little death state of dreamless sleep but even that   
   >>> state has greater density than the absolute.   
   >>   
   >> One time Zz was pondering a wordless state   
   >> and wished he could find someone who was in that state   
   >> so he could have a word with   that   one who was.   
   >>   
   >> When someone shows one's mind without words,   
   >> at times it's all in the action.   
   >>   
   >> Then the director yells out, cut! Print it. That's a wrap.   
   >>   
   >> And all the actors break for a spell.   
   >>   
   >> When the break in the spell is over, everyone resumes.   
   >>   
   >> They get all involved in the shootings, and all   
   >> the special effects involved in the shootings and all   
   >> of the pictures within a picture frames of the droste effect.   
   >>   
   >> - in the house of mirrors   
   >   
   > I just wanna know where the script   
   > girl disappeared to   
   >   
   >   
      
   casting couch maybe.   
      
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