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   > dagnabit wrote:   
   >   
   > >simply entertain the notion that what you are under the   
   > >human disguise is immune to any type of processes such   
   > >as karma or reincarnation. unresolved desire energies force   
   > >a return of themselves only to form, but you are not these   
   > >energies. personality is the pivot by which processing energies   
   > >can appear as one's identity, and as such brings it into a field   
   > >of endeavor in which it is under the influence and effects of   
   > >these slippery energies. identification with the energies as   
   > >identity supplies its own reinforcement of looping program   
   > >mentation since what you truly are cannot be grasped or   
   > >understood, so it appears that you are the body/mind   
   > >and the real you goes pretty much unnoticed.   
   >   
   > Invoking such a view may suggest a principle   
   > as being what one's true self is.   
   >   
   > That by which the aggregates conglomerate.   
   > Also known as atman.   
   >   
   > Being identical with brahman, as impersonal,   
   > as the ground of being, can be such a principle.   
   >   
   > I don't know if classical Buddhism subscribes   
   > to there being any such eternal or permanent   
   > you in terms of bein that principle.   
   >   
   > In my understanding, there is no eternal/real you   
   > given a Buddhist paradigm. Hence it solves all   
   > of the problems associated with reincarnation   
   > by dissolving them in a swell foop.   
   >   
   > Exactly how to articulate, for Tang's book, the Form   
   > or Structure or what ever he cares to name it as being,   
   > that encompasses both Hinduism and Buddhism seams   
   > its way warping and woofing as his whole cloth.   
   >   
   > - two me   
      
   looking to a higher version of self is like a stepping   
   stone in order to get beyond conceptual understandings   
   of self and likewise concepts. to one who is embroiled in   
   daily ego musings of personality and individualisms, it   
   just doesn't work to tell them that they are the nothing.   
      
   nisargadatta maharaj once said that what he was was   
   neither conceivable nor perceivable.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)