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   From: invalid@invalid.invalid   
      
   dagnabit  wrote:   
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   >>   
   >> dagnabit wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> simply entertain the notion that what you are under the   
   >>> human disguise is immune to any type of processes such   
   >>> as karma or reincarnation. unresolved desire energies force   
   >>> a return of themselves only to form, but you are not these   
   >>> energies. personality is the pivot by which processing energies   
   >>> can appear as one's identity, and as such brings it into a field   
   >>> of endeavor in which it is under the influence and effects of   
   >>> these slippery energies. identification with the energies as   
   >>> identity supplies its own reinforcement of looping program   
   >>> mentation since what you truly are cannot be grasped or   
   >>> understood, so it appears that you are the body/mind   
   >>> and the real you goes pretty much unnoticed.   
   >>   
   >> Invoking such a view may suggest a principle   
   >> as being what one's true self is.   
   >>   
   >> That by which the aggregates conglomerate.   
   >> Also known as atman.   
   >>   
   >> Being identical with brahman, as impersonal,   
   >> as the ground of being, can be such a principle.   
   >>   
   >> I don't know if classical Buddhism subscribes   
   >> to there being any such eternal or permanent   
   >> you in terms of bein that principle.   
   >>   
   >> In my understanding, there is no eternal/real you   
   >> given a Buddhist paradigm. Hence it solves all   
   >> of the problems associated with reincarnation   
   >> by dissolving them in a swell foop.   
   >>   
   >> Exactly how to articulate, for Tang's book, the Form   
   >> or Structure or what ever he cares to name it as being,   
   >> that encompasses both Hinduism and Buddhism seams   
   >> its way warping and woofing as his whole cloth.   
   >>   
   >> - two me   
   >   
   > looking to a higher version of self is like a stepping   
   > stone in order to get beyond conceptual understandings   
   > of self and likewise concepts. to one who is embroiled in   
   > daily ego musings of personality and individualisms, it   
   > just doesn't work to tell them that they are the nothing.   
   >   
   > nisargadatta maharaj once said that what he was was   
   > neither conceivable nor perceivable.   
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   Did he eat pizza?   
      
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