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   "noname"  wrote in message news:o0vabh$md6$3@dont-email.me...   
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   > dagnabit  wrote:   
   > > "{:-])))"  wrote in message   
   > > news:thv53ch99rtuohllgk5raln9eudm7qmvg3@4ax.com...   
   > >>   
   > >> dagnabit wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>> simply entertain the notion that what you are under the   
   > >>> human disguise is immune to any type of processes such   
   > >>> as karma or reincarnation. unresolved desire energies force   
   > >>> a return of themselves only to form, but you are not these   
   > >>> energies. personality is the pivot by which processing energies   
   > >>> can appear as one's identity, and as such brings it into a field   
   > >>> of endeavor in which it is under the influence and effects of   
   > >>> these slippery energies. identification with the energies as   
   > >>> identity supplies its own reinforcement of looping program   
   > >>> mentation since what you truly are cannot be grasped or   
   > >>> understood, so it appears that you are the body/mind   
   > >>> and the real you goes pretty much unnoticed.   
   > >>   
   > >> Invoking such a view may suggest a principle   
   > >> as being what one's true self is.   
   > >>   
   > >> That by which the aggregates conglomerate.   
   > >> Also known as atman.   
   > >>   
   > >> Being identical with brahman, as impersonal,   
   > >> as the ground of being, can be such a principle.   
   > >>   
   > >> I don't know if classical Buddhism subscribes   
   > >> to there being any such eternal or permanent   
   > >> you in terms of bein that principle.   
   > >>   
   > >> In my understanding, there is no eternal/real you   
   > >> given a Buddhist paradigm. Hence it solves all   
   > >> of the problems associated with reincarnation   
   > >> by dissolving them in a swell foop.   
   > >>   
   > >> Exactly how to articulate, for Tang's book, the Form   
   > >> or Structure or what ever he cares to name it as being,   
   > >> that encompasses both Hinduism and Buddhism seams   
   > >> its way warping and woofing as his whole cloth.   
   > >>   
   > >> - two me   
   > >   
   > > looking to a higher version of self is like a stepping   
   > > stone in order to get beyond conceptual understandings   
   > > of self and likewise concepts. to one who is embroiled in   
   > > daily ego musings of personality and individualisms, it   
   > > just doesn't work to tell them that they are the nothing.   
   > >   
   > > nisargadatta maharaj once said that what he was was   
   > > neither conceivable nor perceivable.   
   > >   
   > >   
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   > Did he eat pizza?   
      
   don't know. once someone asked him if he ate meat   
   because in India there is a great deal of veganism   
   that usually goes along with a spiritual practice and   
   he said that the body has a lot of conditioned habits   
   which he wasn't overly concerned about.   
      
   so he ate meat, smoked cigarettes and I don't know   
   what else, but it does show that some of the things   
   that people may believe are necessary for spiritual   
   understanding may just be misconceptions at best.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)