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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   brian wrote:   
   > Ned wrote:   
   >>   
   >> ...   
   >>  So, how does the swami appear to you now?   
   >   
   >Not how does he appear to me, how did he appear to himself. His   
   >self-knowing knew what? A corollary statement of his was: free of all   
   >the universes. At the very least, free of the heap of consciousness,   
   >but how does consciousness arrive there?   
      
   How does consciousness know when what is beautiful   
   is beyond any and all descriptions that are conceivable?   
      
   How could anyone ever know love   
   such that words pale and fail to approach it?   
      
   If he had said he was beautiful beyond knowing,   
   or that he was love that is way beyond compare,   
   people would have thought he was something   
   other than how he put it, such as he was.   
      
   As neti-neti, he reached a point.   
      
   Being as Tat Vam, he reached another point.   
      
   In between those end-points, a segment of him,   
   got tired at one point, and felt no one understood him.   
      
   As a non-dualist, ahem, he appears to have had   
   some expectations that led him to be disappointed.   
      
   - on at least one occasion   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)