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   From: wudao@wuji.net   
      
   liaM wrote:   
   > Tang wrote:   
   >> liaM wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Plato's cave provides an easy answer.  Since all things seen therein   
   >>> are but shadows of what they are, what the appearance of things that are   
   >>> empty, have no being, are signless, have the marks that we bring to   
   >>> them... examples of which are the unicorn and the "fully awakened",   
   >>> is equally shadowy.  Trust Plato.  Life is a shadow play.  Enlightenment   
   >>> acquiesces that view of things.   
   >>   
   >> <>   
   >>   
   >> My counter-example is: to go to a skyscraper and jump   
   >> off a high story. It will be a shadow play. Very shadowy.   
   >   
   >   
   >Be my guest :)   
      
   Tang appears to actually think he really is some body.   
   And not just any body. He appears to really,   
   honestly, be of a mind that he is a physical body.   
      
   Not simply in a physical body, or having a physical body.   
      
   Perhaps his mental-body is trapped.   
      
   Maybe he's unaware of Mind Only.   
   Or some other Principle, or Way, of being.   
   In terms of Consciousness, or Awareness only.   
      
   Ned's TTC 16 may be telling.   
      
   Feng's TTC 16 even m'ore sewn.   
      
   http://terebess.hu/english/tao/gia.html#Kap16   
      
   http://www.mobilewords.pro/Tao/chap16.htm#top   
      
   Translations and interpretations of who, what, how, when,   
   where and why one is, tend to vary.   
      
   With self/Self, atman/Brahman, some versions have one   
   as being the Principle, essentially, really and for real   
   a penumbra and umbra such as they may be.   
      
   - pen ultimates dance on pin heads   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)