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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   I postulate that avatar or buddha types all experience the following:   
      
   1. waning crescent moon highs, often with clear sky lightning at onset   
   2. waxing gibbous moon trials, sometimes 5.5 lunar months before waning   
   crescent highs,   
   3. a sun stare,   
   4. a naked thorn hill climb,   
   5. a blue rose vision,   
   6. a period (often 7 years but sometimes longer) of low/wilderness years?   
      
   My Salmon on the Thorns web page has more detail on these points.   
      
   Of course probably only the innermost circles of Hinduism and   
   Buddhism would know if my claim is true, since if it was common   
   knowledge then some would fake those 6 points.   
      
   Point number 1 I think is represented for Krishna when he is   
   called “the butter thief” (waning crescent).   
      
   Point number 2 I think is represented for Krishna as his battle   
   with the poison-nippled demon (where the waxing gibbous   
   moon is like a swollen breast). It also may be the Buddha’s   
   battle with Mara with release by full moon.   
      
   Point number 5 I think is represented for Krishna and Buddha   
   as an encounter with a blue lotus, but I think it was in both   
   cases really a glowing blue rose at night.   
      
   Point number 6 is represented for the Buddha as his seven   
   years of ascetic years ending in awakening/enlightenment,   
   and for Rama as his 14 years of exile ending with his   
   victory over a demon.   
      
   --   
   David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)   
   http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)   
   “Don't get me wrong/If I come and go like fashion   
   I might be great tomorrow/But hopeless yesterday" (Chrissie Hynde)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)