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   Timothy Sutter to All   
   Re: behind the veil...   
   01 Mar 18 09:44:52   
   
   XPost: alt.messianic, alt.bible, alt.christnet.christianlife   
   From: a202010@lycos.com   
      
   the progression here is interesting,,,to me.   
      
   of note is this idea of the Law being like a "mirror"   
      
   and Moses wears a 'veil' and as such, Paul suggests   
   that the Law, aside from Christ, is 'veiled'   
   to understanding, and   
      
   Paul speaks of seeing at first, through the dimness of a mirror   
   but then "face-to-face" and, but, that his 'mirrored' reflection   
   of God's own face through the Law becomes clearer over time   
   and is more fully lit by and through Christ, and then   
      
   we see James speaking of "freedom's ideal Law" or  "perfect   
   Law of liberty"  and how one may progress and change   
   from seeing God in a mirror, and immediately walking   
   away and forgetting what he, himself looked like in that mirror,   
   to one who peers into that mirror, and is transformed   
   in to that Image of Christ in word and deed,   
      
   and then, of course, we see how Jesus "opens the scriptures   
   of the Law and Prophets" and expounds on -his- own self   
   -from- these sources and begins to remove the veil, and   
      
   How Paul never did cast down The Law or The Prophets   
   but 'believed all things written therein"  and, that,   
      
   the Christ he presented was clearly visible -in-...   
   ...The Law and the Prophets...   
      
      
      
   =   
      
   When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child,   
   I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish   
   things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.   
   Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.   
                                           [1 Corinthians 13:11-12]   
   =   
      
   Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech—   
   unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of   
   Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.   
      
   But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains   
   unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is   
   taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil   
   lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil   
   is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of   
   the Lord is, there is liberty.   
      
   But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror   
   the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same   
   image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.   
                                       [2 Corinthians 3:12-18]   
      
   =   
      
   So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear,   
   slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not   
   produce the righteousness of God.   
      
   Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness,   
   and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able   
   to save your souls.   
      
   But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.   
   For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man   
   observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes   
   away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks   
   into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a   
   forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed   
   in what he does.   
      
   If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his   
   tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.   
   Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this:   
   to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself   
   unspotted from the world.            [James 1:19-24]   
      
   =   
      
   Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you   
   while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which   
   were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms   
   concerning Me.”                                   [Luke 24:44]   
      
   =   
      
   Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of   
     whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote—   
   Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” [John 1:45]   
      
   =   
      
   Nor can they prove the things of which they now accuse me.   
   But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which   
   they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing   
   all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.   
   I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that   
   there will be a resurrection of the dead,   
   both of the just and the unjust.          [Acts 24:13-15]   
      
   =   
      
   But we desire to hear from you what you think; for concerning   
   this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.   
   ”So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at   
   his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of   
   the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from   
   both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till   
   evening. And some were persuaded by the things which   
   were spoken, and some disbelieved.       [Acts 28:22-24]   
      
   =   
      
   But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed,   
   being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [Romans 3:21]   
      
   =   
      
      
   strange that "righteousness apart from the law"   
      
   is attested to -by- The Law and The Prophets...   
      
   ...through the looking glass...it gets a little strange   
      
      
   and further...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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