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|    desires of the heart are to be examined     |
|    17 Jun 18 23:19:44    |
      From: richarra@gmail.com              That the desires of the heart are to be examined and governed              3. “Sometimes, indeed, it is needful to use violence, and manfully to       strive against the sensual appetite, and not to consider what the       flesh may or not will; but rather to strive after this, that it may       become subject, however unwillingly, to the spirit. And for so long it       ought to be chastised and compelled to undergo slavery, even until it       be ready for all things, and learn to be contented with little, to be       delighted with things simple, and never to murmur at any       inconvenience.”       --Thomas à Kempis --Imitation of Christ Book 3, Chapter 11                     =============       June 18th - Elizabeth of Schönau, Mystic              Born 1130; died June 18, 1164. Mysticism was a phenomenon that found       expression in the mid-11th century. It is an endeavor to reach a       knowledge of and union with God directly and "experimentally." The       mystic renounces his senses and the images they offer of God. This is       the "Negative road" that begins by recognizing the complete       "Otherness" of God. The pseudo- Dionysius wrote “On the Divine Names”,       which influenced this movement in the Middle Ages. It is characterized       by abnormal psychic states which culminate in ecstasy. Such states are       sanctified when perfectly united with God and the whole personality is       fully free. As a rule, mystics exhibit extraordinary self-knowledge,       which leads to an ever more passionate love of God and His Son.       Mystical life in no way need conflict with a married, intellectual, or       active life, although many mystics, like Elizabeth were professed       religious.              Elizabeth of Schönau entered the great Black Benedictine double       monastery at Schönau (16 miles northeast of Bonn, Germany) at age 11       or 12. She was professed in 1147, and shortly thereafter, she began to       experience clairvoyance. This was the origin of her experiences, but       she distinguishes them from her later ones.              In 1157, Elizabeth became abbess of Schönau and a friend of Saint       Hildegard. In a letter to Hildegard, Elizabeth describes how an angel       had told her to proclaim a series of judgements that would fall on the       world unless they did penance, and how, because she delayed obeying       him, he had beaten her so severely with a whip that she had been ill       for three days! At a later time, when some prophecies had failed in       their fulfillment, the angel informed her that penance had actually       averted the impending doom. She was assailed with terrible       temptations, but prayed against them.              She would often fall into ecstasies while saying the Divine Office or       at Mass on Sundays and on feast days. At the prompting of the abbey's       founder, Abbot Hildelin, she recorded some of her visions on wax       tablets, which were sent to her brother, canon Egbert, in Bonn. Later       he took the habit at Schönau and succeeded Hildelin as abbot in the       same Benedictine monastery. He wrote her vita and three books of her       visions using the tablets she wrote, supplemented by her oral       explanations. The first book seems to be the simple language that       Elizabeth might have used herself, but the others are more       sophisticated—probably written by Egbert. The last and most famous       book dealt with her vision of Saint Ursula. This was the result of       pressure placed on her brother by Bishop Gerlac of Deutz, who had       assisted in the translation of the supposed relics of Saint Ursula and       her 11,000 virgins after searching nine years for them. Under strong       pressure from her brother, Elizabeth evolved an elaboration of the       already fantastic story of Ursula. She even introduced into it a Pope       Cyriacus, who never existed.              Elizabeth "saw" the whole of Our Lord's life and that of various       saints, but had to describe it in terms of which she had "real"       knowledge. We need to discriminate between gift as given and the way       in which it is described by the recipient—some may be part of the       imagination without basis in historical fact. For example, inculpably,       Elizabeth contributed to the further elaboration of the mythical       legend of Saint Ursula. She knew when she had been in ecstasy, which       was different than being "near" ecstasy. She described her visions in       moral and allegorical rather than mystical terms. Like most medieval       mystics, she was practical, and believed in her smallness before God.       This is the "heart of the mystical life—the self, as such, is nothing;       it needs to be wholly filled and activated by God" (Attwater,       Benedictines, Encyclopedia, Martindale, Walsh).                     Saint Quote:       A truly obedient man does not discriminate between one thing and       another, or desire one employment more than another, since his only       aim is to execute faithfully whatever may be assigned to him.       --St. Bernard              Bible Quote:       What man of you that hath an hundred sheep: and if he shall lose one       of them, doth he not leave the ninety-nine in the desert, and go after       that which was lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, lay       it upon his shoulders, rejoicing: (Luke 15:4-5) DRB                     <><><><>       Remember, O Beloved Jesus,       Who for the love of me didst agonize on the Cross,       and from that throne of truth didst announce the       completion of the work of our Redemption, through which,       from being the children of wrath and perdition,       we are become the children of God and the heirs of Heaven:              Have mercy on all the faithful in their agony,       and on me also when I shall be in that extremity,       and, through the merits of Thy Precious Blood,       detach us entirely from the world and from ourselves,       and at the moment of our agony give us grace       sincerely to offer Thee the sacrifice of our life       in expiation for our sins.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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