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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
    >  >> ==   
    >  >> Titus 1:2   
      
    >  >> in hope of eternal life which God,   
    >  >> who cannot lie,        <===   
    >  >> promised before time began,   
    >  >> ==   
      
    >  > ==   
    >  > <.> The Slanderer <.> is a murderer from the beginning, and   
    >  > does not stand in the truth because the Truth has left him.   
    >  > When he speaks lies, he speaks from his own, for he is a liar   
    >  > and the father of it.        [John 8:44]   
    >  > ==   
      
    > the way i'm believing it is still like;   
    > God created a good thing and that good thing corrupted itself.   
    > God did Not place corruption in to the thing,   
      
    > cuz then we'd have to suggest that God is corrupt or corruptible,   
    > and -i- wouldn't even begin to suggest such a thing.   
    > because, -whatever- God is, that's what God is.   
      
   in short, if God were corrupt and corruptible, there wouldn't   
   be any sort of standard and no cause for complaints of /shortfall/   
   anyway, i'm sure i've walked over this territory several times of late.   
   The Original like DNA and all that.   
      
   so, like, God does not -have- the corrupted lethal mental gene   
   and so, certainly cannot pass it on to the Creation.   
      
   but it popped up, and God wasn't mystified, and had a fixer already.   
      
   like i may have mentioned before;   
      
   God can know two possible outcomes   
      
   If   A   then   B   
   =and=   
   If   C   then   D   
      
   without forcing either. where God knows both B and D   
   but where God has left the option of A or C to the creation.   
   so this still shows that God can know all possible outcomes   
   without suggesting that God forces a specific outcome.   
      
   etc.   
      
   you could fit in /material/ corruptions here and compare them to "lies"   
      
   and when /we/ pulled -away- _from_ God at the source,   
      
   /we/ lost so much that we CANNOT live without.   
      
   etc. etc.   
      
   ..re-establishing connections   
      
      
    > but this other kid, the created being, is what it isn't.   
    > it lied to itself. so, God created a thing that could corrupt itself.   
    > so nobody gets to -blame- anyone else. and everyone secretly knows   
    > and realizes this, but a shift of responsibility -seems- right to a   
   person   
      
    > but in the end, you get the face you brought on yourself.   
      
   but in reverse, you may get a face from God,   
   lookin' back at you, that you don't want to get stuck with.   
   yikes, for all eternity, i gotta see this God   
   lookin' back at me, who isn't pleased at -all-   
   makes you wanna crawl under a rock and stay there,   
   and -still- you can't escape it.   
      
   why does any of this matter at all?   
      
      
   there is still time...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)