XPost: alt.bible, alt.messianic, alt.religion.christian   
   XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife   
   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
   >> one thing we do not know and probably never will, is this;   
      
   >> what would or could have happened if Adam had wandered   
   >> through the garden and stumbled across a pretty little   
   >> fig tree, and -that- fig tree just happened to be   
   >> the Tree of Life and dear olde Adam took a bite of   
   >> -that- tree, before they started comparison shopping.   
      
   >  > as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,   
      
   > but, that's another thing;   
      
   > we =know= that Adam -wanted- to stay away from   
   > the tree of knowledge of good and bad,   
      
   > how do we know?   
      
   > Adam told Eve not even to -touch- that tree.   
      
      
   ==  [Adam told not to eat;]   
   Genesis 2:16-17   
      
   And YHWH God lays a charge on the man, saying,   
   “From every tree of the garden eating you eat;   
   but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,   
   you do not eat from it, for in the day of   
   your eating from it—dying you die.”   
   ==   
   Genesis 3:2-[Eve says, "not touch it"]   
      
   And the woman says to the serpent,   
   “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we eat,   
   but from the fruit of the tree which [is] in the   
   midst of the garden, God has said,   
   You do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.”   
   ==   
      
   now, who added "nor touch it?"   
      
   God is not the author of confusion [1 Corinthians 14:32-34]   
      
   the one conclusion, is, that God tells Adam, and Adam tells Eve   
      
   Eve is getting what amounts to a hearsay from Adam, and not a direct reveal,   
      
   as we never actually see God speaking to Eve.   
      
   and The Serpent played on that bit of confusion   
      
   The Serpent is the one who outright Lied against God.   
      
   it isn't all about Man, The Serpent is getting a lesson.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
   > so? well, Adam was not just sitting there   
   > itching to do what God had told him not to do.   
   > no, he did it cuz Eve got tricked into doing it.   
      
   > once again, seems more like unintentional and not scornful intent.   
   > the One who had the scornful intent was...The Serpent   
      
   > ///   
      
   > hebrew; "shagagah" and "ruwm"   
   >   
   > where "shagagah" is spoken of concerning ignorance   
   > or unintentional tresspass and "ruwm" is spoken of   
   > concerning presumptuous or -grossly- intentional   
   > tresspass with an eye towards raising YHWH   
   > to outright scorn. (Numbers 15)   
   >   
   > ///   
      
   >> as we see, the Tree of Life was not pointed out to anyone,   
      
   >> it was just /there/ and Adam could have taken a bite from it,   
   >> because thee was, also, no proscription against eating from   
   >>   that tree at that time.   
      
   >> so, what -would- have happened had Adam took a bite from Plan A?   
      
   >> but, we -should- _not_ suggest that Adam was forced to take   
   >> from that other tree, and that it was the ONLY possible outcome,   
   >>   just because that's what did happen.   
      
   >> that's an assumption that need not be made.   
      
   >> Adam had every opportunity to take from the Tree of Life.   
      
   >> trouble is, after the fact, he starts stitching together   
   >> a stream of excuses and cover ups from the fig.   
      
   >> Adam was unfinished...   
      
   >> and also...   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)