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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
    >  > God created an unclothed Being, one capable of seeing mortallity   
      
    >  > but God wasn't saying; "bad Adam, you're not clothed, put some   
   clothes on"   
      
    > But, upon eating from that Tree that was Not "good for food"   
    > Adam's outlook changed, and whereas before he was innocently unclothed   
    > he took on the characteristics of The Serpent   
      
    > one stacks these blocks one at a time...   
      
   what's more interesting to me is, that, Adam/Eve didn't   
   have to eat anything nor drink water, to stay alive.   
      
   not precisely like Jesus when he said;   
      
   "to do the will of God is food for me"   
      
   but, more like Moses when he was on the mount in the presence of YHWH.   
   Moses was on the mount 40 days and drank no water [Exodus 34:28]   
   and like, nothing could kill Adam 'cept that one thing,   
   BUT, that one little thing, COULD kill Adam, in other words   
      
   Adam was not created Immortal. No, Adam was being vivified by YHWH.   
      
   but everyone knows that there was already a controversy in the air   
      
   -before- man was ever pulled from the ground. and if you don't know that,   
   it's easy to find out and you can find out your own self.   
      
   why was The Serpent contradicting what God had told Adam/Eve?   
      
   obviously, The Serpent already held this opinion BEFORE Adam/Eve became.   
      
   Was YHWH -aware- of this opinion?   Let's toss in this little bit;   
      
   ==   
   Isaiah 14:13   
      
   For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven,   
   I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also   
   sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest   
   sides of the north;   
   ==   
      
   and, what my attention is drawn to is this phrase;   
      
   "For you have said in your heart"   
      
   =meaning=; this person had not yet -acted- on the musings of [his] heart.   
      
      
   and then, we cut -back- to the garden, and reckon that one reason   
      
   for this entire scenario is to give this Person, [Lucifer] a -chance-   
      
   to -act- upon [his] musings.   
      
   and these Musings -of- Lucifer IS the Tree which can bring DEATH   
      
   A TREE which is identified as        "NOT   good for food"   
      
      
   so, we can safely say that YHWH was aware of Lucifer's opinion.   
      
   an opinion brewing in Lucifer's heart,   
      
   which opinion YHWH did NOT place there.   
      
      
   now, how do we arrange to forgive Lucifer and tell Lucifer   
      
   that [his] -false- opinion about God was simply a matter of [his] own   
      
   conjurings from within and had no basis in real fact?   
      
      
   another;   
      
   "I forgive you Lucifer, you didn't really know what you were doing"   
      
   and will -that- heap a mountain of coals down on Luci's head?   
      
      
   i'll be back...   
      
      
   just reemmeber,   JESUS is not a puppet...   
      
      
   i'll tidy this up later, maybe.   
      
      
   so, did Adam -fall short- or was he already short?   
      
      
   who cares?   
      
      
   YHWH did not create an evil thing.   
      
      
   there's this step in the process that involves personal input   
      
      
   and if you wanna be like Jesus, you NEED instruction   
      
      
   but /you/ aren't just a robot waiting for programming   
      
      
   you may very well have to come to your senses like this guy, though;   
      
      
   ==   
   Daniel 4:34   
      
   And at the end of the time I, Nebuchadnezzar,   
   lifted my eyes to heaven, and   
      
   my understanding returned to me;   
      
   and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him   
   who lives forever: For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,   
   And His kingdom is from generation to generation.   
   ==   
      
   see, it's -almost- like Lucifer muses in his heart   
   that God is Unjust and makes [himself] unjust in   
   the process and God casts [him] in to the material plane   
   where he become like a beast of the field blah blah blah   
   and eventually regains his senses and realizes YHWH is Most High   
      
   and NOT Unjust...   
      
   yippee   
      
      
   now you can go to bed...   
      
      
   nighty night   
      
      
   or whatever   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)