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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
   i did mention the "semi-permeable membrane" bit before...   
      
      
    > Timothy Sutter wrote:   
      
    > > so, either you say that all people have the Holy Spirit   
    > > abiding from flesh birth and no matter what they do or think,   
    > > it is the Holy Spirit who does and thinks....<...>   
      
   someone said:   
      
    > Is God spirit?   
      
      
   more to the point, is hydrogen gas, "spirit"?   
      
   is gold and platinum, "spirit"?   
      
   someone said:   
      
    > Is God infinite?   
      
      
   hydrogen gas, gold and platinum do not seem to be "infinite"   
      
   based on keen observations, these -things- are "finite"   
      
   someone said:   
      
    > If God is INFINITE SPIRIT (holy Spirit)   
    > then there is NOWHERE where God is not.   
      
      
   if you draw a distinction between matter and "spirit"   
      
   then, it may be somewhat like a "semi-permeable membrane"   
      
      
   because we may be able to suggest that "God's Spirit"   
      
   has no such "exclusion principle" as does matter   
      
      
   and therefore, can be present 'where' matter is present,   
      
   without -being- itself, made of matter, while   
   we cannot say the same thing about matter   
      
   in that matter is finite and not present   
      
   where there is no matter present.   
      
      
   and now there's the prospect of -interaction-   
      
      
   and, 'finite' matter may not be able to   
   -comprehend- "Spirit" unless that Spirit   
     make itself known.   
      
      
   man seems to be in possession of a "consciousness emulator"   
      
      
   while God is "Pure Consciousness"   
      
      
   and then there is "communication"   
      
   or the prospect thereof of such a communcation   
   between said "consciousness emulators"   
   and God's own Pure Consciousness   
      
      
   and this is the distinction we point out.   
      
      
   that of communicative interaction betwen God and man   
      
      
   and not just assuming that being in a universe where God IS   
      
      
   demands such communication without direction.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
    > the semi-permeable membrane   
      
   if, you skip over the "procedure and methodology" section,   
      
   you will never be able to compare a result   
      
   with the "results" section,   
      
   and it would never be my compelling element   
   to -plead- with -anyone- who will -not- follow   
   the "procedures and methodologies" section   
   and simply says;   
      
   "i don't get your results and therefore,   
   your results are invalid"   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   in other words,   
      
   i don't have to plead with anyone or any group   
      
   to follow the "procedures and methodologies" section,   
      
   but who, simply -insist- that their ignorance and   
      
   lack of knowledge is the -only- _possible_ result.   
      
      
      
   all the while, 'they' or whomsoever is/are all to willing   
   to take dish fed results sections about phenomena that   
   -they- have never experienced personally for granted   
   and -without- "personal experience" as "evidence"   
      
      
      
   so, they 'believe' one thing that they have never   
   =personally= experienced because they want to be   
   part of that group who follows such and such an ideology,   
      
   but make demands of another group for -evidence- that   
   -they- are simply unwilling to gather up -by- following   
   the proper and correct "procedures and methodologies"   
      
   and so, by personal preference   
   and personal preference alone,   
      
   they accept one ideological framework as correct   
   -without- personal experience -as- 'evidence'   
      
   and reject another ideological framework   
   simply because they won't -look- -for-   
   the evidences themselves, and rush precipitously   
   to the conclusion that there is no evidence to be seen,   
      
   based on group favorability and group favorability alone.   
      
      
   anyway, a semi-permeable membrane, in the natural,   
   is like a grating that allows some things to pass through   
   and yet, prevents other things from passing through,   
   like maybe sodium ions which are small can pass through   
   and potassium ions which are larger cannot,   
   so, an electircal gradient it set up and this   
   helps to regulate heart contrctions etc.   
      
   so, in likeness,   
      
   this is a gradient which certain phenomena   
      
   can pass  ---> in a one way fashion   
      
   you may not be able to just waltz over through   
   the semi-permeable membrane and "see" God almighty,   
      
   but God almighty, not only can, but -must- come   
   'through the veil' to you.   
      
      
   and 'communion' is possible but then we have   
      
   to, also, deal with the 'signal to noise' problems...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)