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   From: reanimater_2000@yahoo.com   
      
   On Jun 17, 1:55 am, "Dare"  wrote:   
   > "Immortalist"  wrote in messagenews   
   e6b7f51b-4372-4f16-97e9-2253e679c9a6@o8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...   
   > > Consciousness consists of inner, qualitative, subjective states and   
   > > processes. It has therefore a first-person ontology. Because it has a   
   > > first-person ontology, consciousness cannot be reduced to third-person   
   > > phenomena in the way that is typical of other natural phenomena such   
   > > at heat, liquidity, or solidity. (((Consciousness is, above all, a   
   > > biological phenomenon.))) Conscious processes are biological   
   > > processes. Consciousness processes are caused by lower-level neuronal   
   > > processes in the brain. Consciousness consists of higher-level   
   > > processes realised in the structure of the brain. There is, as far as   
   > > we know, no reason in principle why we could not build an artificial   
   > > brain that also causes and realises consciousness. --John Searle   
   >   
   > > Searle's own solution to the mind/body problem is biological   
   > > naturalism: consciousness, intentionality, and mental states in   
   > > general, are emergent biological states and processes that supervene   
   > > upon a suitably structured, functioning brain.   
   >   
   > > Brain processes cause mental processes which are not reducible to the   
   > > former.   
   >   
   > > Consciousness is just an ordinary, i.e., physical feature of the brain   
   > > and, as such, is merely an ordinary feature of the natural world.   
   >   
   > >http://human-brain.org/searle.html   
   > >http://afterall.net/papers/491114   
   >   
   > Heard this quote(I'm paraphrasing) in a book discussion:   
   >   
   > Brain processes are necessary for mental processes, but are they sufficient?   
   >   
   > -Gary Greenberg, _The Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry_   
   >   
   > http://www.garygreenbergonline.com/http://www.amazon.com/The-B   
   ok-Woe-Unmaking-Psychiatry/dp/0399158537http://artsbeat.blogs.ny   
   imes.com/2013/05/29/the-nature-of-suffering-...   
      
   I forgot why whether the clues are sufficient or not was important,   
   seems like that might get in the way of getting on with figuring the   
   mess out which we probably will.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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