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|    1st Century Apostolic Traditionalis to All    |
|    The Role of Women: Politically, Socially    |
|    21 Aug 14 20:14:54    |
      XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox, aus.religion.christian       XPost: england.religion.christian, hk.soc.religion.christianity       From: jnhickling@ntlworld.com              "As the woman had so wilfully sought the gratification of her flesh, when       the Lord God passed sentence upon her He made it the ground of her       punishment. "I will," said He, "greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy       conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children: and thy desire shall       be subject to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."              This being her       portion as the consequence of sin, the reverse would have been her       condition, so long as her animal nature should have continued unchanged, if       she had remained obedient.              She would have brought forth children without       pain and would have had fewer of them; nor would she have been deprived of       that equality she enjoyed in the garden, and consequently she would have       escaped that degradation she has experienced in all the countries of the       world. The punishment, however, was not inflicted simply as an individual       sorrow.              The pain was personal, and the subjection likewise; but the       multiplication of woman's conception became necessary from the altered       circumstances of things, which were then being constituted for the ensuing       seven thousand years. In the war divinely instituted between the seeds of       the serpent and the woman, there would be a great loss of life.              The       population of the world would be greatly thinned; besides which great havoc       would be made by pestilence, famine, and the ordinary diseases of the flesh.              To compensate this waste, and still to maintain an increase, so that the       earth might be filled, necessitated that part of woman's punishment involved       in the multiplication of the conception, which is a great domestic calamity       under the serpent-dominion of sin.              We hear much in some parts of the world of the political rights and equality       of women with men, and of their preaching and teaching in public assemblies.              We need wonder at nothing which emanates from the unenlightened thinking of       sinful flesh. There is no absurdity too monstrous to be sanctified by       unspiritualized animal intellect. Men do not think according to God's       thinking, and therefore it is they run into the most unscriptural conceits;       among which may be enumerated the political and social equality of women.              Trained to usefulness, of cultivated intellect, and with moral sentiments       purified and ennobled by the nurture and admonition of the Lord's truth,       women are "helps meet" for the Elohim, and much too good for men of ordinary       stamp.              The sex is susceptible of this exaltation; though I despair of       witnessing it in many instances till "the age to come." But even women of       this excellency of mind and disposition, were it possible for such to do so,       would be guilty of indiscretion, presumption, and rebellion against God's       law, in assuming equality of rank, equality of rights, and authority over       man, which is implied in teaching and preaching.              It is the old ambition of       the sex to be equal to the gods; but in taking steps to attain it, they       involved themselves in subjection to men. Preaching and lecturing women are       but species of actresses, who exhibit upon the boards for the amusement of       sinful and foolish men. They aim at an equality for which they are not       physically constituted, they degrade themselves by the exhibition, and, in       proportion as they rise in assurance, they sink in all that really adorns a       woman.              The law, which forms a part of the foundation of the world, says to the       woman, "He shall reign over thee." The nature of this subjection is well       exhibited in the Mosaic law (Numb. xxx. 3-I5). A daughter being yet in her       youth in her father's house, could only make a vow subject to his will. If       he held his peace, and said nothing for or against, she was bound by her       word; but if when he heard it, he disallowed it, she was not bound to       perform, and the Lord forgave the failure of the vow. The same law applied       to a wife.              A widow, or divorced woman, were both bound to fulfil, unless       their husbands had made them void before separation. If not, being subject       to God, they had no release. This throws light upon the apostle's       instructions concerning women. "They are commanded to be under obedience, as       also saith the law."              And "Iet the woman learn in silence with all       subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over       the man, but to be in silence."              The reason he gives for imposing silence and       subjection is remarkable.              He adduces the priority of Adam's formation, and       the unhappy consequences of Eve's talkativeness and leadership in       transgression; as it is written, "Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam       was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression       first" (1 Tim. ii. 11-14).              And then, as to their public ministrations, he       says, "Let women keep silence in the congregations; for it is not permitted       unto them to speak, but to be under obedience, as saith the law. And if they       will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame       for women to speak in the congregation" (1 Cor. xiv. 34-35).              It is true that       in another place the apostle says, "let the aged women be teachers of good       things;" but then this teaching is not to be in the congregation, or in the       brazen attitude of a public oratrix. They are to exercise their gift of       teaching privately among their own sex, "that they may teach the young women       to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet,       chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word       of God (which they profess) be not blasphemed" (Tit. ii. 4-5).              Christian       women should not copy after the God-aspiring Eve, but after Sarah, the       faithful mother of Israel, who submitted herself in all things to Abraham,       "calling him lord" (Gen. xviii. 12).              Nor should their obedience be       restricted to Christian husbands only. They should also obey them "without       the word;" that is, those who have not submitted to it, in order that they       may be won over to the faith when they behold the chaste and respectful       behaviour of their wives, produced by a belief of the truth (1 Pet. iii.       1-6).              Such are the statutory provisions enacted in the world's constitution at the       beginning, with respect to the position of women in the body, social and       political. Any attempt to alter the arrangement is rebellion against God,       and usurpation of the rights of men to whom God has subjected them. Their       wisdom is to be quiet; and to make their influence felt by their excellent       qualities.              They will then rule in the hearts of their rulers, and so,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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