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|    12 Mar 15 19:38:31    |
      I have discovered that many scientists have a very rich spirituality, and one       that in most cases does not conform with established religion. The reason is       that, the more they study the universe, the more they see of its richness and       complexity, and the        rational response to that is respect for and even awe before what they see. A       serious student of biology will have very high regard for what he sees,       whether it be the human body with its three trillion cells arranged in organ       systems and staying alive        for 100 years or the richness of an Amazonian rainforest. The reason is that       such things possess greater complexity than anything that people yet know how       to create, and understanding of this logically leads to respect for the       processes that made such        things possible.              Someone possessing in-depth knowledge of science would therefore have respect       for and even awe of the universe; but that does not necessarily mean that he       is going to agree with the concept of Biblical God. The reason is that       Christianity holds a        dismissive, even damning, attitude toward nature, seeing "flesh" (meaning the       human body and the rest of physical natural world) as being a creation of the       Satan or as being poisoned by sin. A serious student of biology would be       angered by attitudes of        this nature. The reason is that what's being damned or impugned here is       something possessing far greater complexity, richness and viability than       anything that the person possessing such attitudes knows how to create. And he       would likewise be angered by        brainless economic practices such as destroying the extraordinarily rich       environment that is Amazon to make ranches that become useless in two years,       when there are many other ways to feed Latin America, or flooding the       atmosphere and the oceans with CO2        from dirty coal and oil, when there are many other ways to provide energy that       are a lot less destructive.              That does not mean that the scientist is going to have no spiritual feelings;       indeed he may have very profound spiritual feelings - once again as a rational       consequence of what he sees. He may be more likely to agree with a creed such       as Deism, which was        practiced by America's founders Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, that sees       divine truths as being found in nature and discovered through rational       inquiry. He may believe in some providence or some higher intelligence, but he       is not likely to agree with        the Biblical beliefs that damn the natural world or the human body. The reason       once again is that he will have respect for the natural world and the human       body as a rational reaction to what he finds out about these things.              Science and spirituality do not have to be opposed to one another; indeed       life-affirming spirituality is fully in conformance with scientific knowledge.       The more one studies natural life the more he values it and respects it. The       attitude of the romantic        is a natural outgrowth of the obvious implications of scientific inquiry: A       logical consummation of the respect for natural life that scientific study of       life engenders. And if one believes in some higher power, it becomes power       that is congruent with,        and not held opposite to, life.              The person involved in real scientific inquiry is likewise going to be in       disagreement with the people who deem themselves rational while they have       contempt for natural processes. Such contempt is an obvious mark of inadequate       cognition and inadequate        knowledge. Until one can create something as complex as human body or       Amazonian rainforest, one has no business having contempt for such things; and       a person who has such contempt either possesses inadequate understanding of       the preceding or does not        possess adequate reasoning faculties to understand the logical implications       thereof.              There are any number of scientists with very profound spiritual understanding,       and it is spiritual understanding that is driven by fact and logic. It is       driven by understanding just what it is that exists in nature and in the       universe and by grasping the        full complexity thereof. What the Native Americans referred to as the Great       Mystery, science makes explicable, and in the process instills respect for it.       The lack of such respect - whether it comes from Biblical attitudes or from       attitudes that falsely        claim themselves rational - is a mark that one does not know what one is       talking about and has no real knowledge of what it is that he holds in       disrespect.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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