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|    Consciousness, Karma and Deliberate Acti    |
|    17 May 15 01:16:44    |
      There are many people who believe that everything that happens to people is       either karmic or a result of what's in their consciousness. Try telling that       to the children who got gassed during the Holocaust. It couldn't have been       anything in their        consciousness, because they were too little to have a consciousness. And it       couldn't have been anything karmic, because if it had been, then there would       be a sizable population today with similar karma who would experience similar       outcomes.              The idea that everything that happens to people is their own doing absolves       oneself of responsibility for doing right by the next person. If this is the       case, then if I were to rape you and kill you, it would be your fault rather       than mine. And that is        not only wrong factually. It is wrong morally. In every sense, it is       sociopathic.              When I was writing on this matter on New Age - influenced forums, I was       accused of seeing myself as a victim and not wanting to take responsibility       for my life. I was not writing about my life, and I was not writing about       myself. I was writing about how        these attitudes affect people. And I was also writing from the perspective of       someone who knows enough about history to know just how much things differ       from one age to the next, and how much of it is a result of some people       impacting upon others.              Where these people are right is in claiming that most of us are not children       during the Holocaust, and that there are any number of things that people can       do to improve their lot. They are also right that in many cases people being       in a bad way is a        result of their weakness, ignorance or incompetence. You will not see me argue       with these propositions. You will however see me argue intensively against the       proposition that, if I were to rape and kill you, it would be your fault       rather than mine.              Corollary with this idea is the notion that nobody can help or injure another.       A demonstrably false statement. People both help and injure others all the       time. One does not need, as some of these people claim, to see oneself as a       victim or to avoid        responsibility for one's life in order to understand this. One simply needs to       take a look at history.              If everything that happened to people was a result of their karma or their       consciousness, then the world would have been the same way through all of       history. As many people would have the karma for gas chambers now as did in       1940s; and as many people        would have the karma for grinding poverty now as did during the Middle Ages.       That things have changed, all the time, as a result of human behavior in       politics, business, science and the arts, shows that it is this action that       truly determines the fate of        humanity.              Much of what came out of the New Age is good; and I am all in favor of the       Western people becoming acquainted with Zen, yoga and herbal medicines.       However this attitude has to go. There are all sorts of ways in which people       influence others. And for that        reason it is imperative that the influence exercised be right rather than       wrong.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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