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|    Adler, Freud, New Age, Personality Psych    |
|    03 Oct 16 03:38:15    |
      I am all in favor of people – myself included – examining their beliefs       and their character. I would not however do it – nor recommend that others       do it – according to beliefs that are not true. And I have seen that in most       of what I have        encountered.              There were some people who were pushing on me the Alfred Adler's concept of       adequacy and “adequacy striving.” I have found nothing useful in Adler's       psychology at all. It would pathologize everything that has taken humanity       from caveman to man on the        moon. No man is an adequate match for a tiger, nor should he strive to be an       adequate match for a tiger. Man outdoes the tiger using superior methodology.       Similarly Bill Gates is not an adequate physical match for an inner city       gangster or a Muslim        terrorist, but he has accomplished much more.              There were people who were pushing on me Sigmund Freud. I have found much that       is very wrong with Freud's ideas. He mistook memories of childhood sexual       abuse for erotic fantasy and used it to claim that children are in love with       parents of the opposite        gender, and that love in adulthood is transference of that love. At that time       there were few single-parent households and fewer homosexuals to study; now       there are plenty of them. And what we see again and again is that girls raised       by single mothers,        guys raised by single fathers, homosexuals raised by the parent of the       opposite gender, and people without either parent in their upbringing, fall in       love just as readily as do people who have been raised in nuclear families.       Since there is no        transference figure in such situations, these feelings cannot be transference.       Furthermore, since these feelings are of the same character as those developed       by people who have been raised in nuclear families, these feelings cannot be       transference either.              With New Age, I have found a lot of useful ideas. However the central claim       – that everyone is responsible for everything that happens to them – is       obviously wrong. These people do not owe their situation only to themselves.       They also owe it to the        parents who raised them; the teachers who educated them; the scientists whose       work is under all their prosperity; the government, military and police that       protect them; both business and labor equally; and of course them damn       intellectuals and Freemasons        whose work has given to them their liberty. Misappropriation of credit is not       the same thing as responsibility, nor is reminding them of such things the       same as failure thereof.              What we see with personality psychology is a very destructive form of       intellectual fascism. If it “narcissistic” to seek great success, have       ideas different from those around you, or want a passionate relationship, then       America owes most of what it        has to its narcissists, as does most of the rest of the world. If you are       pathologizing what made your country great, then do not go around claiming       that you are out there benefiting your society. You are destroying what made       it great in the first place.        As for the “sociopathic” disorder, what we see contradicts most basic       rationality. If people are responsible for their actions then anyone –       including a “sociopath” - can act rightfully; and if some people are evil       and can only be evil whatever        they do, however hard they work and whatever work they do on themselves, then       people are not responsible for their actions. The idea that someone can be       made criminal by virtue of his personality is the Orwellian institution of       crimethink. This then is        used to create a de facto totalitarianism from which people are not free even       within the privacy of their minds. Not even the Soviet Communists could come       up with a more invasive totalitarianism.              Now if one is to let someone into one's life – or a mindset into one's mind       – then one has to exercise discretion as to what it is of which one       partakes. I would not recommend for anyone to let into their heads something       that is destructive. For        someone who has, and has suffered for it, the solution is to refute the       mentality; and I heartily recommend these refutations to those who have       partaken of such beliefs.              Is everything that has come out of psychology and New Age wrong? Not at all.       Even the conservatives who reject psychology as a pseudo-science use it       constantly in marketing and management. It is however wrong to partake of       beliefs that are wrong. And        within the preceding mentalities, most is wrong.              It says in the Bible that the world's wisdom is foolishness to God. Whether or       not you believe in God, it does not take the Bible to show the foolishness of       these attitudes. I started out as a militant atheist, but I have found much       greater wisdom in the        Bible than I have in these beliefs. For one thing, Christ says that any sinner       can be redeemed. And that is a much more humane – and more rightful –       attitude that some people, such as these so-called sociopaths, are damned for       life.              Or that Bill Gates is inadequate. Or that John Keats wanted his mommy. Or that       taking credit for a state of conditions made possible by others is personal       responsibility. Or that it works in your society's best interests to snuff out       the very kind of        people who have been responsible for its greatest accomplishments. Or that       imposing crimethink is consistent with American values.              If someone is going to push onto people a wrongful set of beliefs, then it is       to be expected that they will be seen through eventually. This is the case       both with deliberate conmanship and intellectual error. Adler may have       believed what he wrote        sincerely, but that does not make his work right. It is obviously and       transparently wrong. Same with Freud and any number of others.              It is valid to expect understanding and tolerance; and I extend the same to       many people, including those whom others refuse to tolerate at all – such       as, for example, these damn “narcissists” and “sociopaths.” It is not       however valid to expect        tolerance for lies. Anything that is based on a lie is going to come crashing       down eventually; and it is in no way responsible, rational or valid to       construct social covenants upon rackets – whether again such be the result       of intellectual error or        deliberate conmanship.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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