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|    "Self-Esteem" And "Law Of Attraction"    |
|    23 Jul 17 21:53:10    |
      I have heard many claims that people attract attention based on how they feel       about themselves. I do not believe that this is true. In fact I have seen many       cases of the opposite. If you feel too good about yourself, other people will       want to tear you        down. If you feel too bad about yourself, other people will want to cheer you       up.              A related claim is “The Law Of Attraction” - that like attracts like. I       have also seen many cases to the contrary. There are many macho men who       attract very feminine women. There are many kind people who attract very       mean-spirited partners. There are        many wise gurus who attract very stupid students. In none of these cases do we       see like attracting the like.              So it goes that people believing such things are told to work on self-esteem       and suchlike in order to improve what they are attracting. I have reasons to       say that this approach is wrong. You do not attract people based on how you       feel about yourself. You        attract them based on what they think you to be. If others think that you are       a jerk, they will not be good to you however you feel about yourself. If this       is the case, the correct response is not working on your self-esteem but       surrounding yourself with        the kinds of people who value what you are. That way you will be surrounded by       people who esteem you rightfully, whether or not you esteem yourself well. If       you are a poet and you are surrounded by people who have no value for poetry,       you will not be        esteemed well regardless of how well you esteem yourself. You will be esteemed       better however if you surround yourself with people who do have value for       poetry.              Now I have been exposed to many people who have such ideas, and any number of       them have made all sorts of negative claims about me. Quite simply I have a       massive bullshit detector, and these are some of the forms of bullshit that I       detect. There are many        valid reasons to challenge these ideas. Especially with the issue of       self-esteem, the idea has gotten far too big for its merits. Rewarding       self-esteem does not make better people; it makes worse people. If you have       high standards for yourself you will        find it harder to feel good about yourself than if you have low standards for       yourself. Rewarding self-esteem rewards low standards; and that means, worse       people.              With the Law of Attraction, we see even worse things. If anything bad happens       to you, you have caused it. So then, logically, if a witch who believes such a       thing gets burned at the stake, she will have to say that she has brought it       about. If a New Age        community comes under attack from Islamists, they will have to say that they       have caused it. This kind of thinking robs people of ethics and compassion.       Which means that it is an evil set of beliefs.              As for the treatment that you attract, it is not based on how you feel about       yourself. It is based on how others see you. Sometimes they would feel like       you feel too good about yourself and will want to tear you down. At other       times they would feel like        you don't value yourself enough and will want to build you up. I have known       some amazing people who felt badly about themselves. I did not treat them       based on how they felt about themselves, but how I felt about them. I have       also known jerks who thought        of themselves too well. I likewise did not treat them based on how they felt       about themselves, but how I felt about them.              In short, all of these attitudes have gotten far too big for their merits. And       all of them are wrong, for reasons stated above. Not everyone who has bought       into such things is an idiot, but even those who are not idiots are deluded.       People's treatment of        you is not a reflection of what you think about yourself but of what they       think about you. Different people attract different things for all sorts of       different reasons. And self-esteem is an absolute canard and a concept that       degrades the character of        mankind.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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