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|    Justified Anger And Misuses Of Spiritual    |
|    23 Jul 17 21:53:41    |
      I have seen a game played by any number of people who consider themselves       spiritual. They would do something that would deliberately bring on an angry       response. Then they would claim that the person is negative or evil or a       neanderthal for getting angry.        The person playing this game would then walk away feeling superior to the       person whom he has played in this manner. The anger would be the proof of       one's superiority and the inferiority of the other person.              The game is quite similar to a related game that is played by some people who       consider themselves rational. These people would make some kind of a poisonous       statement; that would bring on an emotional response; then they would walk       away saying that the        other person is irrational or crazy or neurotic.              Seeing such abuses, there have been any number of people deciding that there       was something wrong with, respectively, spirituality or reason. That is wrong.       The problem is that these things get used for wrongdoing. All sorts of things       can be used for        wrongdoing, including many things that are not at all bad in themselves.       Money, intelligence, beauty and all sorts of moral values can be used for       wrongdoing; but that does not make any of them bad. However the more they are       used in this way, the more        they become discredited, and the more credible becomes the case of the people       who want to see them as something bad. And of these there are plenty.              So for example we have any number of people in the baby boom generation going       around that the people younger than themselves are negative or neanderthals or       evil because any number of them have negative or angry feelings. I am sorry,       the conduct of any        number of these people deserves angry responses. If you have left the world a       worse place than you have found it, then anger at you is legitimate. These       problems will not be solved by “positive thinking” or anything of the       sort; they will be solved        by informed and directed action. For a problem to be solved it has to be seen,       and if you think that this is negative then being negative is part of the       process. Failing to do so is not enlightenment or anything of the sort. It is       lying to yourself and        others. Many of these people started out seeking to do the right thing, then       they did the wrong thing. So when someone else seeks to do the right thing,       these people smugly claim that they have been in the same place and then moved       beyond it to better        places. They did not move to better places. They moved to a worse place. They       started out caring about the world and its future and became short-sighted and       careless. That is not an improvement, it is a degradation.              Of course many of these people have availed themselves of all sorts of       spiritual knowledge, and not all of them have been using it for right things.       If they are using it to aggravate people in order to make them look bad, or to       make it look like        legitimate anger at them is something wrong with the person who has it, then       that is not rightful use of spiritual knowledge. Neither predatory behavior       nor dishonest behavior counts as enlightenment. Misusing this knowledge in       such a manner discredits        spirituality as such. And that makes things bad even for people who are using       spirituality for rightful purposes.              I have seen all sorts of misuses of just about everything that is there. Just       about anything that is good can be made bad. This is the case with both       spirituality and reason. Reason is a good thing, but it can be used for all       sorts of wrong things.        Spirituality is a good thing, and it can also be used for all sorts of wrong       things. It is important that people who stand to be hurt by misuses of such       things have the knowledge that they need not to fall for predatory conduct.       Then they will be able to        separate the value from the misuses of the value. They will be less likely to       turn against the value itself, and the value will remain free to be used for       rightful purposes. This is the case, once again, with spirituality and reason       both.              As for anger, no, it is not always a wrong thing. There very much is such a       thing as righteous anger. Once again, being angry at people who've left the       world a worse place than they found it is righteous. You can get as positive       as you want to get. That        will not solve the problem. In such situations it is rightful to get angry or       negative. Only by being recognized first will the problem stand a chance of       being solved.              So the misuses of spirituality for wrongful ends have lead many people to       conclude that spirituality as such is a bad thing. That is wrong as well. Once       again, reason can also be used for all sorts of wrong things, but that does       not make reason bad.        Anything that is good can be used for wrong ends. Any value can be corrupted.       That does not discredit the value; it discredits those who use it for wrong       and make good things into bad things.              So no, being angry or negative is not always unjustifiable. There are many       situations in which such responses are correct. When a nuclear reactor blows       up you have to tell people what has happened. Failing to do so because doing       so would be negative is        not enlightenment; it is lying. When people are poisoning the planet and leave       it a worse place for their children than they have found it, being angry at       such a thing is right. Misusing metaphysical concepts to make it look like it       is the other person's        problem makes metaphysical concepts that much less credible, and it also makes       you look like a jerk to anyone who has any insight into the matter.              The correct approach is to actually solve all these problems. The people who       work on such real solutions deserve all the credit that they can. The people       who misuse metaphysics or anything else to hide from or deny these problems       are the true villains.        It is rightful that they be seen in the negative light. And it is rightful       that people go to work solving these problems head on so that the world that       they leave behind for their children be a better place than they have found       it, however "negative"        anyone paints them to be for that reason.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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