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|    Spirituality And Door To Religion    |
|    19 Nov 17 22:47:47    |
      Spirituality of any kind opens the door to religion. If astrology or       numerology or anything of similar sort is true, then so is God. With such       things working, you do not get away with a materialist fundamentalist       worldview. Instead you have to look for        logical applications of what you have seen; and this means divine origins.              I had a girlfriend who was an astrologer. Now many people think that astrology       is for idiots, but this woman was brilliant. She also had experience in a cult       of a Hindu swami, and she had many valuable things to say. Of course the       materialist        fundamentalist types attacked her a lot; but what she had to say was far wiser       than what they had to say. And even any number of people who thought that       astrology was a pseudoscience commended her on the precision of her       observations.              Then the astrologers – at least on the Internet – were attacked by people       who called themselves skeptics, and these people were very nasty. They decided       that astrology was for lunatics, and they personally attacked the people who       were into it. On my        part I have had many experiences with less than a billionth chance of       happening whose only possible explanations were religious, and of course many       people saw me as a kook. However for me to deny what I have experienced would       not be logical; it would be        dishonest. And dishonesty does not a rational person make.              Then I started having experiences of God and of Jesus Christ. For me this has       been a constant battle, as I am sure it has been for many others. Nobody wants       to go to hell. Many people do not want to submit their lives to a power. Being       a brat that I am,        I find it very difficult to submit to Christ. However it is better to submit       to Christ, who is wise and benevolent, than it would be to submit to people       who think that they know what they are talking about but really do not.              Christ, in my case, has proven His reality to me again and again. Often I do       not want this to be the case. Often I want my life to be my own. Often I want       to go back to the atheistic worldview. However I do not have the option to do       so honestly.              As for the people who consider such things illogical, my answer is that logic       is a method and not a worldview. If something does not fit into a worldview,       the logical solution is not to deny the experience but to modify the       worldview. In my case, this is        not a matter of faith or belief. In my case this is a matter of fact. And if       even I, having had the kinds of experiences that I have had, am open to       doubting or wanting to deny them, then who else is not vulnerable.              Is Jesus real? You bet He is. And I say this as someone who for a long time       have been a militant atheist. If you have not had these kinds of experiences,       then you can be seen to be honestly in error. However I, among others, do not       have that luxury. I        could do such a thing; but to do so would be a very profound sin.              Whether you have the materialistic worldview or if you are into spirituality,       I implore you to look further into the Bible. Ask Christ into your life. His       wisdom is greater than that of the world, and He can teach you what you need       to know. He does not        only save souls. He also saves lives.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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