XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.magick, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic   
   From: a202010@mail.com   
      
   as a side note about "hate"   
      
   Esau is the man of the dirt, he is the   
   man of flesh, God has simply taken him   
   to reckon -as- the man of flesh, while   
   Jacob is made to wrestle with a spirit.   
      
   remember they, Jacob abd Esau, wrestled in the womb.   
     gen 25:22<...>   
   "But the children struggled together within her;"   
      
      
   just to get the idea of the spirit/flesh   
   dichotomy that is played out in the genesis   
   bits, first, just compare with this statement   
   made about Isaac and Ishmael;   
      
   ==   
   Galatians 4:29   
   But, as he who was born according to the flesh   
   then persecuted him who was born according   
   to the Spirit, even so it is now.   
   ==   
      
   see, it draws a distinction between two   
   -flesh- people as signatories of a deeper   
   interplay that is going on, concerning   
   a man of flesh and a man of spirit.   
      
   now;   
      
   ==   
   Romans 8:5   
   For those who live according to the flesh   
   set their minds on the things of the flesh,   
   but those who live according to the Spirit,   
   the things of the Spirit.   
   ==   
      
   see, Esau had set his mind upon the   
   things of the flesh, and sold his   
   birthright for a bowl of porridge.   
   genesis 27.   
      
   and there is a natural striving   
   of sorts between the Spirit and   
   the flesh;   
      
   ==   
   Galatians 5:17   
   For the flesh strives against the Spirit,   
   and the Spirit against the flesh; and   
   these are contrary to one another, so   
   that you do not do the things   
   that you wish.   
   ==   
      
      
   so it is not so much that God -hates- Esau   
   just like some sort of whimsical favoritism   
   as that the Spirit strives against the flesh   
   and the flesh strives against the Spirit, all   
   without any -malice- fom God.   
      
   and, now, look at how Esau is actually treated.   
      
   Jacob returns to Esau in fear thinking   
   that Esau would be mad at him for   
   the birthright 'trick' [gen 27]   
      
   but we see that Esau is very happy and   
   well fixed and is not in need of anything   
   and welcomes Jacob with open arms.   
      
   and says this;   
      
   ==   
   Genesis 33:9   
   then said Esau:   
   "I have an abundance, my brother, keep what you have"   
   ==   
      
   this after Jacob is ready to set many things before   
   Esau and give it to Esau as a peace offering.   
      
   Esau was blessed with an abundance even   
   after he sold his birthright to Jacob for   
   a bowl of porridge.   
      
   so, as flesh man, Esau is 'vulgar'   
      
   but God blesses him anyway.   
      
   and we see how God makes it possible for these   
   flesh people to draw near to God while yet   
   -in- the flesh.   
      
   in brief,   
      
   the carnal mind of man will not   
   last through incineration   
      
   and God will not -harbor- anything   
   at all about a pile of ashes.   
      
   it's really that simple.   
      
   so, while God may strive with the carnal mind   
   of man, for a time, God will not harbor any   
   detestation for a pile of ashes.   
      
   "dust you are and to dust you shall return"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)