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|    Capitalism and Environmentalism    |
|    05 Jan 20 14:06:15    |
      Two thinkers who have had a vast effect on me were Ayn Rand and Ward       Churchill. Ayn Rand championed logic, reason and capitalism and saw nature as       there only as resources for human consumption. Ward Churchill, a Native       American professor at University of        Colorado, instead saw the Western civilization as psychopathic and championed       the beliefs of Native Americans, who favored co-existence with nature and       respectful treatment of the environment.              Neither one would have tolerated the other. Ayn Rand would have called Ward       Churchill a savage, and Ward Churchill would have called Ayn Rand a       psychopath. Both are part-right and part-wrong.              To Ward Churchill, I would say that if not for the Western civilization he       would not be a professor at University of Colorado. And to Ayn Rand, I would       say that she has not created nature and cannot re-create nature, and it is       morally wrong to plunder        what you cannot re-create.              But both also have a legitimate point. Both environment and the civilization       should be treated with respect. In case of nature, whether it is a creation of       God or a product of billions of years of evolution, it is something that       people have not created,        that possesses greater richness and complexity than anything that people have       ever created, and that as such is a greater masterpiece than anything that       people have ever been able to produce. And in case of the civilization, it has       created all sorts of        impressive achievements and conveniences and that, as such, likewise deserves       to be treated with respect.              Both nature and civilization are great achievements; and both should be valued.              On this there are four different possible scenarios. The worst scenario is       when people blindly plunder nature without contributing much to the       civilization, such as when Berbers deforested Northern Africa or when       Brazilian farmers burn down rainforest to        make ranches that turn into wasteland. There are two medium scenarios –       purely naturalistic lifestyle such as that of the Native Americans and the       purely technological lifestyle such as what we see in many cities and suburbs       of America.              The best scenario is when nature and civilization exist together, and where       people fulfil their material needs and wants in a way that is not ruinous to       nature.              I have seen this done to some extent in a number of places in contemporary       world. These include San Francisco, Melbourne, Seattle, and some smaller       places such as Boulder and the Magnetic Island. In these places, the people       take care of the environment        while also building advanced technological lifestyle where people live       prosperously and comfortably. These people are often derided as hypocrites.       No, they aren't. They have created livable situations in which people have the       benefits of the civilization        while taking care to tread lighter on treasures that they did not create.              Among the previous civilizations, the ones who did this best were the Incas.       They had advanced architecture and engineering and agriculture more efficient       than contemporary techniques. They also took the care to be minimally       obtrusive to nature. They        terraced the mountains in such a way as to prevent erosion. They also       considered the environment in their design. While most suburban houses look       completely out of synch with their environment, the Incan houses looked like       extensions of the mountains on        which they were built. Both the beauty of nature and intelligence of man found       ways to exist symbiotically. They respected nature, and they also built a       magnificent civilization.              I see no reason at all why the wisdom of the Incas should not be informative       today.              The solution in such situations is to maximize the constructive potentials       while minimizing the destructive potentials. It is to produce technologies       that are more brain-intensive and less resource-intensive. It is to make the       most of man as the creator,        and make the most of nature as something that man has not created and cannot       re-create. It is to tap into human intelligence. It is to do the most to       advance the benefits of the civilization, that man has created, and do the       least to destroy things that        man had not.              Now there are many situations in which the people involved in capitalism and       environmentalists clash. In fact, each represents exactly one-half the       equation. The first represents the civilization and the second represents       nature. Both are aspects of life        – the first as created by human beings and the second as not created by       human beings. There should be ways to advance both. There are.              The solution is neither to do away with civilization nor to blindly destroy       nature. The solution is to use human intelligence to create better       technologies that fulfil people's needs and wants in a less ruinous manner.       Hydrogen energy, water-based        engines, and similar technologies will do the task. This will serve life in       man-made aspect without destroying life in non-man-made aspect. And that will       make the most of both worlds.              Environmentalists and capitalists should be able to work together. Ultimately       the goal of both is to advance life. In the first case the life that gets       advanced is nature; in the second case the life that gets advanced is human       civilization. The two in        no way contradict one another. They can work together; they should work       together; and it is the task of human intelligence to make that possible.              https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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