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   ibshambat@gmail.com to All   
   Deconstructing Gender War (1/2)   
   18 Mar 20 17:32:55   
   
   I have been called a misogynist and I have been called a male feminist. I am   
   neither. My stance is the rational one: That anything capable of choice can be   
   good or bad regardless of gender. I want the choices made on both sides to be   
   the right ones. I    
   want men to be good to women, and I want women to be good to men.   
      
   I judge it wrong to take sides with one half of humanity against another half   
   of humanity. Among both men and women there will be ones who choose to act   
   rightfully and those who do not. It does not make sense to take the side of   
   men against women, and it    
   does not make sense to take side of women against men. It makes sense to take   
   the side of men and women who choose to be good people against men and women   
   who do not choose to be good people. It makes sense to reward rightful choice   
   both by men and by    
   women and to confront wrongful choice by both.   
      
   In recent times, we have seen the opposite on both sides. On one side of town,   
   violent and truly misogynistic men brutally abuse women who, for the most   
   part, have good will toward men and are willing to be good to their partners.   
   On the other side of    
   town, nasty women viciously attack men who, for the most part, have good will   
   to women and believe in women's rights. In both cases ugly behavior gets   
   rewarded and goodness gets punished. And this teaches everyone – both men   
   and women – that it pays    
   to be a jerk. The result is a worse world for everyone.   
      
   I have known a man in Tucson who went to jail for “beating up [his] wife's   
   fist with [his] face.” I also know a woman in Kansas whose husband broke her   
   skull so badly that she needed over 40 stitches and walked away with the   
   child. Both the man in    
   the first case – and the woman in the second case – were good people. They   
   were the last people in the world who deserved such treatment. I would much   
   rather see Eminem or Ayatollah or Michael Murphy in prison than the first man.   
   As for the woman in    
   the second situation, she was kind, hard-working and beautiful. But even if   
   she had been Andrea Dworkin, she still would not have deserved either to get   
   her skull broken or to lose her child.   
      
   When scoundrels win and good people lose, we see a wrongful set of incentives   
   in society. People – both men and women – decide that being a jerk pays,   
   and being good gets you abused. This makes everyone worse, both men and women.   
   Men become violent    
   and corrupt, women become vicious. Everyone becomes the worst thing that they   
   can be.   
      
   I believe that we can do better. No; not can; must. We must do better than   
   that. We must be better people than either the followers of Andrea Dworkin or   
   the followers of Eminem. We must be better to our partners, and we must be   
   better to those of the    
   other gender with whom we interact outside the home. We must resolve to be   
   loving and kind to our partners. And when some scumbag of either gender tells   
   us that we owe it to our gender to either (in case of men) control women or   
   (in case of women) be    
   ugly to men, then we must have the strength and the courage to tell them to   
   fuck off.   
      
   And if they press on, we can tell them that absolutely nothing is owed to a   
   gender, and that rather things are owed to those who have been contributors to   
   humanity in all aspects, whether they were female or whether they were male.   
      
   At the stake is nothing less than what kind of world our children inherit. Do   
   you, as a man, want your daughter to be a punching bag for some idiot? Do you,   
   as a woman, want your son to be maliciously abused by Dworkin - McKinnon   
   feminists or falsely    
   portrayed as a misogynist or a sociopath when he is not? Do you want your   
   children to live in a world where these are the two possible options? Or are   
   you – and your children – better than that?   
      
   In their single-minded push for equality, the leaders of feminism have denied   
   women things that may in many cases be more important than mere equality,   
   attacking such things as family, love and religion. In their psychological   
   deconstruction of men, they    
   have taught women who listened to them to suppress their best qualities and   
   turn from kind and compassionate human beings into vicious monsters. For a   
   long time they have denied women the right to family life even if the woman   
   was choosing such willingly.   
    And this was in many cases more oppressive to women than much of what we see   
   done by men. If a woman wants to be an Amazon, fine, let her join the military   
   or the police. But do not deny women the right to family life or beauty or   
   romantic love or    
   children or Christian religion if such be her deliberate inclinations.   
      
   As for the reaction against feminism – led by people such as Eminem, Osama   
   Bin Laden and Michael Murphy – it has taught men to be brutal and corrupt.   
   It has told men that real men beat women and then sneakily cover it up in   
   court while subverting the    
   police and the social services to maintain the deception. I can think of no   
   more contemptible standpoint. It takes absolutely nothing for a man to beat up   
   on a woman. It takes a lot more for a man to love her.   
      
   And I, as somebody who can do 200 fingertip pushups at age 41, am hardly weak   
   for my age.   
      
   In both cases the bad guys won and the good guys lost. This is the case for   
   both men and women.   
      
   The solution is not the gender war. The gender war is the problem. The gender   
   war teaches everyone – both women and men – to be the worst thing that   
   they can be. The worst choices are being taught and encouraged, and the better   
   choices put people    
   into ugly situations. And this sets up a dynamics by which everyone becomes   
   the worst thing that they can be.   
      
   The solution to the gender war is the opposite. It is to inspire men and women   
   to be good to one another, and to give them the courage to stand up to the   
   scoundrels on both sides of the gender war who exploit people's failure and   
   misery to advance a    
   destructive agenda while making the world worse for everyone. It is to give   
   men and women the courage to love one another and treat one another   
   rightfully. And it is to respect and reward the men and the women who choose   
   to do so while confronting the    
   men and the women who choose to treat their partners – or people of the   
   other gender in general – like dirt.   
      
      
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