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|    Deconstructing Gender War (1/2)    |
|    18 Mar 20 17:32:55    |
      I have been called a misogynist and I have been called a male feminist. I am       neither. My stance is the rational one: That anything capable of choice can be       good or bad regardless of gender. I want the choices made on both sides to be       the right ones. I        want men to be good to women, and I want women to be good to men.              I judge it wrong to take sides with one half of humanity against another half       of humanity. Among both men and women there will be ones who choose to act       rightfully and those who do not. It does not make sense to take the side of       men against women, and it        does not make sense to take side of women against men. It makes sense to take       the side of men and women who choose to be good people against men and women       who do not choose to be good people. It makes sense to reward rightful choice       both by men and by        women and to confront wrongful choice by both.              In recent times, we have seen the opposite on both sides. On one side of town,       violent and truly misogynistic men brutally abuse women who, for the most       part, have good will toward men and are willing to be good to their partners.       On the other side of        town, nasty women viciously attack men who, for the most part, have good will       to women and believe in women's rights. In both cases ugly behavior gets       rewarded and goodness gets punished. And this teaches everyone – both men       and women – that it pays        to be a jerk. The result is a worse world for everyone.              I have known a man in Tucson who went to jail for “beating up [his] wife's       fist with [his] face.” I also know a woman in Kansas whose husband broke her       skull so badly that she needed over 40 stitches and walked away with the       child. Both the man in        the first case – and the woman in the second case – were good people. They       were the last people in the world who deserved such treatment. I would much       rather see Eminem or Ayatollah or Michael Murphy in prison than the first man.       As for the woman in        the second situation, she was kind, hard-working and beautiful. But even if       she had been Andrea Dworkin, she still would not have deserved either to get       her skull broken or to lose her child.              When scoundrels win and good people lose, we see a wrongful set of incentives       in society. People – both men and women – decide that being a jerk pays,       and being good gets you abused. This makes everyone worse, both men and women.       Men become violent        and corrupt, women become vicious. Everyone becomes the worst thing that they       can be.              I believe that we can do better. No; not can; must. We must do better than       that. We must be better people than either the followers of Andrea Dworkin or       the followers of Eminem. We must be better to our partners, and we must be       better to those of the        other gender with whom we interact outside the home. We must resolve to be       loving and kind to our partners. And when some scumbag of either gender tells       us that we owe it to our gender to either (in case of men) control women or       (in case of women) be        ugly to men, then we must have the strength and the courage to tell them to       fuck off.              And if they press on, we can tell them that absolutely nothing is owed to a       gender, and that rather things are owed to those who have been contributors to       humanity in all aspects, whether they were female or whether they were male.              At the stake is nothing less than what kind of world our children inherit. Do       you, as a man, want your daughter to be a punching bag for some idiot? Do you,       as a woman, want your son to be maliciously abused by Dworkin - McKinnon       feminists or falsely        portrayed as a misogynist or a sociopath when he is not? Do you want your       children to live in a world where these are the two possible options? Or are       you – and your children – better than that?              In their single-minded push for equality, the leaders of feminism have denied       women things that may in many cases be more important than mere equality,       attacking such things as family, love and religion. In their psychological       deconstruction of men, they        have taught women who listened to them to suppress their best qualities and       turn from kind and compassionate human beings into vicious monsters. For a       long time they have denied women the right to family life even if the woman       was choosing such willingly.        And this was in many cases more oppressive to women than much of what we see       done by men. If a woman wants to be an Amazon, fine, let her join the military       or the police. But do not deny women the right to family life or beauty or       romantic love or        children or Christian religion if such be her deliberate inclinations.              As for the reaction against feminism – led by people such as Eminem, Osama       Bin Laden and Michael Murphy – it has taught men to be brutal and corrupt.       It has told men that real men beat women and then sneakily cover it up in       court while subverting the        police and the social services to maintain the deception. I can think of no       more contemptible standpoint. It takes absolutely nothing for a man to beat up       on a woman. It takes a lot more for a man to love her.              And I, as somebody who can do 200 fingertip pushups at age 41, am hardly weak       for my age.              In both cases the bad guys won and the good guys lost. This is the case for       both men and women.              The solution is not the gender war. The gender war is the problem. The gender       war teaches everyone – both women and men – to be the worst thing that       they can be. The worst choices are being taught and encouraged, and the better       choices put people        into ugly situations. And this sets up a dynamics by which everyone becomes       the worst thing that they can be.              The solution to the gender war is the opposite. It is to inspire men and women       to be good to one another, and to give them the courage to stand up to the       scoundrels on both sides of the gender war who exploit people's failure and       misery to advance a        destructive agenda while making the world worse for everyone. It is to give       men and women the courage to love one another and treat one another       rightfully. And it is to respect and reward the men and the women who choose       to do so while confronting the        men and the women who choose to treat their partners – or people of the       other gender in general – like dirt.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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