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|    Europeans And Jews: Trading Places    |
|    02 May 20 18:11:31    |
      In much of the world, the Europeans are known as wimps and the Israelis are       known as fascists. The reason is not any kind of corruption in either       population. The reason is lessons from the Second World War being learned too       well.              The Europeans learned that war and nationalism is evil. So they became       pacifistic, to the point of accommodating all sorts of regimes that should not       be accommodated. And the Jews learned that they were not safe in the world; so       they created a super-       militaristic state that uses the military for all sorts of things that should       be better handled through trade or diplomacy.              In both cases, we see a lesson being learned too well.              In many respects the Europeans and the Jews traded places since the Second       World War. The first went from being militaristic to being pacifistic, and the       second went from being pacifistic to being militaristic. At first the       Europeans were seen as brutes        and the Jews as cowards; now it is the other way around.              There can be things said in defense of the choice made by both populations. If       you have had your people work hard in other countries only to wind up in gas       chambers, you would want your own country as well, and you would want to make       sure that nobody can        destroy it. And if you've had your continent run over by a bunch of homicidal       maniacs, you would want peace as well. The sentiment in both cases is valid.       The solutions leave much to be desired.              Other places also either learned the wrong lesson from the Second World War or       learned their lesson too well. America learned that it was the greatest, so it       made Americans arrogant to the point that they were imposing their will upon       the rest of the        world while destroying all sorts of lifestyles, both inside America and       outside America. And Russia's lesson – that because they were able to defeat       a major Western power they would be able to defeat the West proper – was       wrong.              Neither the Jews nor the Europeans are evil. But both would benefit from       re-examining the lessons that they have learned and their effects on their       policies. Israel needs to pursue a less militaristic policy, and Europe needs       to take a tougher stand        against terrorists and despots. Peace is a rightful thing to strive for, and       so is the safety of one's people. But neither accommodation of brutal regimes       or militaristic fascism are right.              https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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