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   Holocaust Revisionism And Nazism   
   05 May 20 18:43:27   
   
   On the Internet, I keep seeing people involved in Holocaust denial. The   
   central claim is that Holocaust is a hoax perpetrated by Jewish media.   
      
   I have a perfect refutation to that claim.   
      
   I spent the first 12 years of my life in the former Soviet Union. In the   
   Soviet Union, the media was not Jewish. Yet it carried extensive descriptions   
   of the Holocaust, as well as of the Nazi invasion into the Soviet Union that   
   cost 20 million Soviet    
   lives.   
      
   I do not see why German people should want to have anything to do with   
   Holocaust revisionism or Nazism. Germany is a legitimately proud country that   
   is doing well now and has had many real achievements in its history. If they   
   want to feel national pride,    
   they can look back to Goethe, Bethoven, Wagner, Kant, Rilke and Nietzsche.   
   They can look back to Otto Von Bismarck. They can look to the period after the   
   Second World War when Germany was – and remains – the economic leader of   
   Europe. They do not    
   need to look back to something that not only brought Germany total ruin but   
   gave German people a lasting reputation as the biggest jerks in the world.   
      
   Were there impressive accomplishments by Nazi scientists and engineers? Yes   
   there were. But there were greater accomplishments by German scientists and   
   engineers both before and after the Nazi era. The Panzers were an impressive   
   piece of technology; but    
   so is Mercedes Benz. The credit for these things do not belong with Nazis, but   
   with the German people.   
      
   I have known a number of German people. They did not come across as especially   
   friendly, but they were hard-working, strong, intelligent, articulate and in   
   excellent physical shape. Germany has many things going for it, as do the   
   German people. They do    
   not need to get their pride from the worst thing that German people have ever   
   done. They have much brighter spots in their history, one of which is now.   
      
   Outside of Germany, I see no reason why Nazism should have any appeal at all.   
   Why would an American, an Englishman or a Russian want to have anything to do   
   with Nazism? Nazis were their countries' enemies. Their grandparents died   
   fighting against them.    
   To side with the enemy of one's country is treason. I believe in the First   
   Amendment and vocally oppose political correctness, and even the Nazis should   
   not be censored or prosecuted. They should however be seen as a hostile force.   
      
   I do not say this only because I am of Jewish blood. I say this because I do   
   not want stupid historical mistakes repeated. Nazism was a colossal stupidity   
   that brought ruin to Germany and horrendous destruction to many other   
   countries. There is no reason    
   to bring back this stupidity. It is something that should be completely left   
   in the past.   
      
   The most worrying situation about this is that not everyone I've known who   
   bought into Holocaust revisionism was an obvious bastard or an obvious idiot.   
   I know an intelligent and conscientious person who bought into it, and that   
   means that it is    
   something that can no longer be ignored. Instead it should be confronted, and   
   people be alerted of just how wrong it is.   
      
   To people involved in Holocaust revisionism who aren't jerks: Cut your losses.   
   Do something better with yourselves. Join a church, volunteer, start a family.   
   Do something that matters. If you are not German, stop committing treason   
   against your country.    
   And if you are German, work to actually benefit your country instead of trying   
   to bring back its darkest era.   
      
   To people involved in Holocaust revisionism who are jerks, I do not have any   
   advice. The best way to deal with jerks is to steer others away from them.   
   German people do not need to listen to the biggest jerks in their country,   
   much less so the American    
   or English or Russian people. What I do have to say to these jerks is this: I   
   am on to you. As should be many, many others.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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