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|    Real World: Nature And Civilization    |
|    28 Jun 20 19:11:21    |
      I once was with an extraordinarily beautiful artist named Julia Howard. Julia       loved beautiful things in nature and made magnificent paintings and       photographs. Many people were saying that she did not live in reality.              These people have an inadequate understanding of what reality is. Nature is       just as real as they are, and there is amazing richness and variety in nature       â€“ richness and variety beyond anything that they have created themselves.       And from observing life        in all its richness and variety these people stand not only to enrich their       lives but also arrive at greater and fuller understanding of reality.              Now I am not saying that socio-economic reality is not real. I am saying that       there is much more to reality than many people recognize. The business world       can take people over and lead them into completely wrongful directions. I have       seen even the        kindest people acting in mean and abusive ways when they were lost in that       world. They thought that what they were a part of was reality proper. No, it       is a part of reality. There is much more to reality than they believe. And       after they retired, some        recaptured the beauty that they had known previously and made it, through       their art or their writings, part of the human reality of the world.              As it impacts upon people, reality consists of both nature and civilization.       Both worlds need to be in the best shape that they can be, and people must       have the benefits of both worlds. The worst approach we see in the Berbers and       the Anasazi, who turned        huge stretches of greenery into desert without contributing much of anything       to the civilization. There are two complementary semi-solutions: The purely       natural lifestyle of Native Americans and the purely technological lifestyle       of American Midwest. The        full solution is found in place such as California, where people are enjoying       the comforts of technological lifestyle while also valuing and taking care of       nature.              Both worlds are completely real. And both need to be in the best shape that       they can be. The first reflects reality as not created by people. The second       reflects reality as created by people. Once again, both must be in the best       shape that they can be.              Is the economic infrastructure real? Of course it is. But, once again, so is       nature. And while people have come up with many impressive and useful things,       they also stand a lot to learn from nature. A reality that they have not       created and that they        cannot at this time re-create.              I have the influence of both Ayn Rand and Ward Churchill, both of whom I read       at approximately the same time. Both of them were part-right. Ayn Rand was       right to champion the civilization, wrong to have no respect for nature. Ward       Churchill was right to        defend indigenous lifestyles, wrong to demonize the Western Civilization. Both       worlds contain amazing richness, and both worlds can, and should, get along.              When I was young, I was both a yuppie and a hippie. I made good money in the       computer industry, and I was having various adventures and contact with       nature. Once again, both sides have a half of the picture. Once focuses on       civilization, the other        focuses on nature. The two should work together. So that when an Anglican       minister tells me that we have an obligation to take care of both nature and       one another, he is speaking a home truth.              For a long time many people saw nature as something to be conquered; and       indeed the people who went to the frontier and made it habitable for people       while suffering vicious hardships deserve respect. However there is nothing at       all respectable about        Brazilian farmers burning rich and beautiful environments in order to make       room for ranches that last two years then turn into a mud plain. There is       nothing respectable about denying global warming or clinging to destructive       technologies when there are        many technologies that stand to fulfil humanit's needs at present and greater       levels with fewer destructive effects. And there is nothing respectable about       seeing a part of reality as the whole of reality while blindly plundering       natural treasures that        one has not created and cannot re-create.              Many people have stated that the happiest lifestyle is to cultivate a garden.       The Amish, though they lack our amenities, appear to be quite happy. Once       again, I do not advocate anything such as doing away with the civilization.       The ultra-liberal Dr.        Elizabeth Hubbard, who used to go on the Internet as Doctress Neutopia, stated       that a large-scale move to the land would only create Appalachia on a large       scale. I advocate for the full solution, where we have both nature and       civilization and have the        benefit of both worlds.              So that while people in business are dealing with the real world, so was Julia       Howard. And her contributions of beauty and wisdom found in nature have been       rightfully acclaimed by many highly competent and completely rational people       and imparted a very        important perspective that many people would have missed.              https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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