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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Marx And Reagan    |
|    08 Sep 20 18:05:40    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              Marx was wrong on most of his central contentions. There is no such thing as a       historical inevitability; people's choices have taken different parts of the       world into any number of places at any number of times. The businessman is not       a thief; he is        someone who gets things done. And religion is not “the opium for the       masses.”              Why am I saying this? Because the world's major religions, with the exception       of Buddhism, were started not by economic or political leaders but by the hoi       polloi. Both Christ and Mohammad were anti-establishment radicals with no       experience of economic        or political power; and while Mohammad became politically powerful in his       lifetime as a result of inventing Islam, Christ died on the cross.              We see the same thing in contemporary religious movements. Christian       fundamentalism was not invented on Wall Street or in DC and militates against       both. The New Age movement was started by academic dropouts who militated       against the academic and medical        establishments. Taliban was begun by politically and economically powerless       students in Pakistani madrasas. Not Luther, not Cromwell, not any number of       other influential leaders of Protestant Christianity, were part of political       or economic “elites”        prior to starting their activities.              Why do these religions carry the appeal that they do to the less well-off?       Probably because they were started by people who were not part of “the       ruling class” but became far more powerful than any of these “ruling       classes.” Whether through force,        miracle or persuasion, these people's beliefs then were adopted by people       with economic and political power as much as they were by the hoi polloi. They       were claimed by the kings and nobles; then they were claimed by the colonists       and the bourgeoisie.        So that when Marx saw an order of exploitation, he impugned the religions that       were possessed by both the exploiters and the exploited alike and saw them as       being part of the problem.              Marxists claim to speak for the working classes, but so do Christian and       Islamic fundamentalists. In America, we see a phenomenon that inverts the       claims of Karl Marx. There are more Marxists among the “elites” than there       are among the “masses”;        and there are more conservative people among the “masses” than there are       among the “elites.”              Seeing all this, Reagan appropriated the Marxist and hippie rhetoric and took       it into the opposite direction. He said that the “liberal elites,”       “liberal establishment” and “big liberal government” failed to       represent the values of the        American people and that they were dictating to them a foreign totalitarian       order that was against their beliefs. His message resonated with many people,       and he became an exceptionally powerful president. He inverted the Marxian       rhetoric and turned it        into its opposite. The result was a very effective political force that       continues to exert a vast influence – both for right and for wrong – to       the present day.              So that while Marx militated against one set of elites, Reagan conservatives       militate against another set of elites. Both have followers among the       so-called “masses.” And then of course there are people among these       “masses” who claim that both        sets of “elites” are jerks and do not represent their interests or their       values. Marx claimed to champion “the working class,” but his message has       carried greatest appeal in the West to the well-off students and academics.       And Reagan claimed to        run against the government, and now there is a huge government building near       the White House with his name on it.                      Both the founder of America – Thomas Jefferson – and the founder of the       Soviet Union – Vladimir Lenin – came from privilege. The first championed       democracy, social mobility and opportunity for all men, and the last claimed       to champion the        proletariat. In both cases, we see people coming from the “elites” who       took an anti-elitist stance. Both countries became global superpowers. And in       both countries there was – and remains – a strong anti-elitist sentiment       that can be taken, and        has been taken, into any number of opposite directions. Some militate against       economic “elites”; others militate against ones in media and academia. The       first fail to realize and respect the role of entrepreneurship in creating       prosperity. The second        fail to realize and respect how much prosperity and democracy owe to science,       journalism, education and the arts.       When the Soviet Union fell, the first two things that came back were       consumerism and religion. A huge McDonald's was built near the Red Square, and       the vast Christ the Savior Cathedral was rebuilt with a billion dollars of       private donations. Both appear        to have great appeal both to the more educated and the less educated; and Marx       was obviously wrong to see both as an artifact of exploitation of working       people by the propertied class.                     Whereas Reagan was also wrong on a number of fronts. He was wrong about the       environment; people have not created nature and cannot re-create nature, and       blindly plundering it for gain that can be much better realized through       smarter technologies leaves        the world a worse place than one has found it. He was wrong about government       being the source of oppression and corruption; there are many private       religious, communitarian and economic entities that commit hideous violations       against people, and unlike        the government in a democracy they are unelected, unbalanced and unchecked.       And his anti-academic policy has proven to be a disaster. When higher       education is unaffordable and the primary educational system is weak, the bulk       of the population lacks the        knowledge that it needs to make informed political and personal decisions.              Both have been vastly influential, and I expect both to remain vastly       influential. Which means that it is necessary to confront the people claiming       the legacy of both where they were wrong. Marx was wrong about religion,       business and historical        inevitability, and Reagan was wrong on education, environment and the       preference of unelected private power over elected public power. Both have       claimed to champion the people against the elites, and both have many       followers among the elites. It remains        up to us - both ones coming from elites and ones not coming from elites - to       make sense of both influences and refute them where they have gone wrong.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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