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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Communism and the rest of human nature    |
|    13 Dec 20 19:37:17    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              I once read a poster from the former Soviet Union stating that Communists had       attempted to remake human nature, and that that was wrong.              In fact Communists did what everyone else does: Elevate one aspect of human       nature to universal legitimacy while condemning all others.              Communists believed service to humanity to be the true human nature. Other       aspects of human nature – anything from monetary self-interest to       spirituality – they condemned. Every other belief structure on the face of       the planet does the exact same        thing.              Capitalism believes monetary self-interest to be the true human nature and       sees anything else as an attempt at one or another kind of a theft. Patriotism       believes serving one's country to be the true human nature and sees anything       else as weakness,        cowardice or betrayal. Different kinds of psychology see different things as       being true human nature and anything else as an attempt to cheat at these       things. We see this with “erotic striving” and Adlerian “adequacy       striving.” We see this with        Maslow's hierarchy of needs. We see this with personality psychology. We see       this with self-esteem psychology. And on and on and on.              And of course religions teach us that the true human nature is submission to       God or spiritual growth, and that everything else is “flesh,” “ego” or       “sin.”              While service to humanity may not be a part of the nature of everyone, I have       definitely known any number of people who were not Communists who were       naturally altruistic and were happy doing tasks that did not bring them much       money but that resulted in        benefit for many other people. Scientists, educators and social workers do not       make very much money, but their contributions to prosperity are vast. Someone       else makes money out of the knowledge that they produce and out of the work of       the people whom        they make employable and law-abiding. Many of them do not mind this state of       affairs. When they do revolt – rightfully - is when people decide that their       work is useless, that only business creates prosperity, and that everyone else       – including the        scientists whose knowledge is at the root of the things that they sell and the       teachers and social workers who make people employable and law-abiding - is a       parasite.              In 1960s, the naturalistic hippie ideal – to be a part of nature and to live       naturally – was seen as the true human nature. In 1980s, that changed, and       human nature was thought to be family life and economic self-interest. Both       appeared to appeal to        the same people at different stages in their lives. Both obviously speak to a       part of the human nature. But neither has the right to exclusivity.              In fact, everything that we see – both the desirable and the undesirable –       is an outcome of one or another aspect of human nature at work. There will be       ideologies favoring all of them, and there will be ideologies condemning all       of them. Communism        is merely one of such ideologies.              As for the psychological theories, I have found all of them lacking. Adler       would pathologize everything that has taken humanity from caveman to man on       the moon. Maslow was obviously wrong; there are any number of people –       especially in religions –        who put their higher needs first and either have the lower ones fulfilled as       part of striving for higher needs (“Seek ye the righteousness of God and all       else will follow”) or denied as contrary thereto (overcoming the “flesh”       or the “ego”).        There are plenty of people – especially nuns, monks and ascetics - who live       well enough without sex. There are plenty of people who live happily enough       – and frequently successfully enough and kindly enough - without       self-esteem; and there are plenty        of people with high self-esteem who are horrible human beings. As for       personality psychology, it claims that some people are evil and can only be       evil whatever they do; which is of course contrary to most basic reason. And       given the definitions of some        of these disorders, the world owes vastly to people whom they accuse of having       them.              The error in Communism was not seeing service to humanity to be human nature.       The error in Communism was claiming that that was the only legitimate aspect       of human nature. There are any number of people who are naturally altruistic,       and that is a        legitimate aspect of human nature. It is a valid aspect. It is an important       aspect. But it is not the only one.              I have found that all aspects of human nature can go right, and all can go       wrong. We have plenty of historical examples of all of the preceding.       Capitalism can mean anything from Oracle Corporation to fracking and predatory       lending schemes. Natural life        can mean anything from the happy Pacific Islander tribes to the cannibalistic       Maoris. Patriotism can mean anything from Eisenhower to Hitler. Psychology can       mean anything from Rollo May to the lobotomy man. All human phenomena are       capable of both good        results and bad results. And none deserve to speak for the whole human nature.              Was Communism wrong to see only one aspect of human nature as the legitimate       one? Yes. But that aspect of human nature exists all around the world, and it       will continue existing, Communism or no Communism. This aspect needs to be       recognized, and        mechanisms need to be put into place that it be legitimately fulfilled. It is       wrong to give Communism the credit for something that has existed for as long       as the world has existed, or to equate it with Communism. It is a part of the       human makeup; and        the rational solution is to allow it to do its work without making fallacious       equations with a vanquished ideology.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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