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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Existents and Dualities (1/3)    |
|    26 Feb 21 13:52:30    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              The universe, not having been built by human beings, is not based upon their       conceptions of what is good or what is bad. Not being related to these       conceptions, it is expected to have zero correlation with them. Statistically,       this means that, in        physical or natural existents as they impact on people, there is equivalent       capacity for both positive and negative outcomes, as well as for outcomes that       are partly positive and partly negative or value-neutral.                            Besides these non-valued existents, as well as non-valued concepts, there are       existents and concepts that are valued. Valued existents and concepts are ones       created consequent to moral judgment and that therefore correlate with moral       judgment 100%. "Good"        and "evil" is an obvious example of such concepts. The difference between       non-valued existents and valued existents is that the first are discerned from       reality, and the second are defined from man's moral judgment. As such they       have to be dealt with        differently from natural, non-valued existents.                     Many thought systems in the world are dualistic; however dualities are not all       created equal. There are dualities that are value-neutral, in which each side       of the duality is a part of reality and is capable of outcomes good, bad and       indifferent. In        addition, there are dualities that are valued, in which one side is good and       the other is bad. And whereas the thinking of Eastern philosophy concerns with       achieving balance among the non-valued dualities - and the thinking of Taoism       is concerned with        seeing past the dualities to the nondual reality - a thinking more pertinent       to the world would be concerned instead with maximizing the positive outcomes       for each side of the non-valued duality and for their interaction, while       minimizing the negative        effects of both. Whereas in approaching valued dualities, a totally different       methodology is needed.               The non-valued dualities - such as male and female, nature and civilization,       business and labor, private sector and public sector, thinking and feeling,       self-interest and altruism - are made value-neutral by the fact that they both       exist, not by moral        choice based on values, but simply as parts of reality. Not existing by moral       choice, they have zero correlation with moral judgment. Zero correlation with       moral judgment means: Tendency toward good; tendency toward bad; and tendency       toward a mix; will        be found in each side of the duality. And the process of maximizing the       positive outcomes and minimizing the negative outcomes will consist of - each       side checking the other's harmful tendencies; leaving each other alone where       the direction is positive;        and collaborating with each other when such is beneficial.               The non-valued dualities can interact in these ways:               - One can impact the other positively;        - One can impact the other negatively;               - One can impact the other in a mixed or value-neutral manner;       - One can operate independently of the other toward either positive, negative,       mixed or value-neutral outcomes;               - The two can collaborate in a manner positively affecting the rest of the       world;               - The two can collaborate affecting the rest of the world in a mixed or       value-neutral manner;              - The two can collaborate affecting the rest of the world in a negative       manner.                      A viable approach toward maximizing the beneficial outcomes and minimizing the       negative outcomes will see all these potentials and work to enhance the       positive ones and minimize the negative ones.               In addition to non-valued dualities such as the preceding, there is also such       a thing as valued dualities. Dualities such as health and disease, knowledge       and ignorance, good and evil, are neither equal nor are they of equal value.       In valued dualities,        one is good and the other is bad; and the benefit comes from maximizing the       good side and minimizing the bad side. One of the greatest errors one can       commit is to confuse non-valued dualities with valued dualities and to claim       value-neutral duality like "       man and woman" to be comparable to a valued duality such as "good and evil."       There is no room for this error, as it results in horrible wrong - either that       error be of claiming men good and women bad, or of claiming good and evil to       be equal in value. In        both cases a terrible error is committed, and pursuant it a great wrong is       done. The non-valued dualities are only similar to valued dualities in their       dualism. Beyond that, similarity between them ends.               This error has been taken to variously disastrous ends by various forces in       society. Whether misogynists claiming men to be good and women to be evil,       Republicans claiming private sector to be good and public sector to be evil,       socialists claiming        workers to be good and business to be evil, rationalists claiming reason to be       good and feelings to be evil, or groups claiming civilization to be good and       nature to be evil, nature to be good and technology to be evil, spirit to be       good and physicality        to be evil, self-interest to be good and collective interest to be evil, or       collective interest to be good and self-interest to be evil, in all cases a       giant error is committed and a great wrong is done.               All of the above-mentioned forces are value-neutral. They are all capable of       action good, bad, indifferent or a mix. Claiming one to be good and the other       to be evil results in wrongs condoned and institutionalized on the part of the       first side of the        duality, and a brutal and hideous oppression against the second side,       including its capacity to produce positive effects. And while we see many       movements on the part of the second side in either of these (and many other)       dualities claiming their side to        be good and the first side to be evil, the truth of the matter is that neither       side is either good or evil. Both are value-neutral; both are capable of       right, wrong, and indifferent.               The valued-duality approach, when applied to non-valued dualities, is       therefore disastrous. This is the kind of thinking that leads to creation of       ever-growing hostilities, ever-growing abuses, and ever-growing waste of       potential. The correct approach to        dealing with non-valued dualities is to see their capacities - to destructive       outcomes; to neutral outcomes; and to beneficial outcomes. And then to -       reduce the first; leave alone the second; and encourage the third where       possible. All are there; all        are legitimate; all are capable of both positive and negative outcomes. The       goal in all cases is to maximize the value for each and of benefits of both       while minimizing the negative effects.                      [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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