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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Refuting Marxism Once And For All (1/2)    |
|    23 Mar 21 15:16:37    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              Many people have written both in favor of Marxism and against Marxism. As a       child in the former Soviet Union, I adopted it as gospel. At this point I seek       to refute Marxism once and for all.              Marx used the concept of the dialectic, which he got from German philosopher       Hegel. According to Hegel, a force – a thesis – is met with its opposite       – an antithesis. The two forces struggle among one another to create a       synthesis: A mix of the two.        This synthesis is then met with another antithesis. According to Hegel, this       process lead human history to spiritual betterment of humanity.              Marx took the dialectic and “inverted” it. He said instead that this       process lead to material betterment of humanity, and that communism was going       to be an inevitable result.              Dialectic is a useful concept, and one that has applications in all sorts of       pursuits. However there is absolutely nothing inevitable about it working for       any kind of betterment. Sometimes one force conquers the other. Sometimes       there is an ongoing        conflict with no resolution. Sometimes the forces combine to give one another       their worst traits.              Marx was a historian, and he should have studied his history better. No       dialectic was accomplished when Vandals sacked Rome. No dialectic was       accomplished when the Spanish conquered the Incans, whose agriculture,       architecture and infrastructure was        vastly superior to their own. No dialectic is being accomplished now in the       ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine. And in the contemporary       dialectic between America and Islam, so far the results have been mostly       destructive. Muslim men have been        coming to places like Oslo and Sydney and gang-raping Western girls and       teaching young men in disadvantaged communities to be even worse to women than       they had been before. Marxist scholars in academia do not get the results of       this. The people who fund        them do.              To believe in such a thing as historical inevitability is ridiculous. We have       seen all sorts of orders rising, falling and changing for all sorts of       reasons. In a world of 7 billion people, each possessing capacity for choice,       nothing at all is        inevitable. World changes, all the time, in all sorts of directions and for       all sorts of reasons. That has always been the case; that will always be the       case.              Nor is it in any way correct that history is driven by class struggles.       History is not driven by any such thing. History is driven by choices that       people make. That always has been the case. It always will be the case. Not       every place had classes or        anything like classes. There were no classes among Australian aborigines. As       for America, it is intended to be a classless society in which anyone can rise       - or fall - as far as their efforts would take them. Such ideas may have been       credible in 19th        century Europe, where bosses and their employers rarely mixed. It is not at       all the case in places where there are no rigid class lines, where there is       social mobility, or where employers and workers are working closely with one       another.              Marx also claimed that religion was "opium for the masses." This is completely       untrue. The Christian and Muslim religions started from "the masses" and then       converted both the rulers and the ruled. Maybe some of the rulers were using       some claims of St.        Paul - such as that slaves should be obedient to the masters - to justify       exploitative conduct; but that was never the intent or the founding of the       religion.       He also claimed that people, if freed from their chains, would start a       revolution and overthrow capitalism. The behavior of American people       completely refutes the claim. Not only did they not agitate for a Communist       revolution, but they lead the charge        against Communism even when many among the elites were warming toward it.       These people did not see Communism as a way toward liberation; they saw       Communism as a way toward having to give away their liberty and follow the       state. What some people in the "       elites" believe people to be, and what people actually are, can differ greatly.       What Marx was right about was affirming the interests of the worker. At that       time workers were treated like trash, and Marx's idea of propertied classes       exploiting the working classes was credible. In much of the world –       particularly in the Western        countries - business has since then learned its lesson. When I worked in the       corporate world, I did not feel exploited. I was being paid right, and I was       being treated right. I have maintained good relations with a number of my       former managers and        employers, and none of them have been treating me as someone lower than       themselves.              I do not reject Marxism, as did for example Ayn Rand, because it is not       capitalism or democracy. I reject it because of its own glaring intellectual       errors. Not everything in history is dialectical; and even in situations of       dialectic there is nothing        inevitable about it working for any kind of good.              Just that something has been a part of Marxism does not necessarily make it       wrong. Similarly, “anything that Hitler or Nazis did” is not a workable       definition of evil. Hitler was a fitness buff and a vegetarian, but that does       not mean that every        fitness buff and a vegetarian is going to kill 50 million people. Nazis built       the Autobahn, but that does not mean that Eisenhower was a Hitler for building       the Interstate. That Marx used the dialectic wrongfully does not mean that the       idea of the        dialectic is useless. The idea of it leading inevitably toward the betterment       of humanity, however, is completely useless, and very obviously wrong.              Now I have heard it said by some people that the dialectic is a superior form       of cognition to logic. I no more believe that than do I believe the people who       think that logic is the higher function or that emotions are a lower function       or that religion        and spirituality is a delusion. It is a form of cognition. It is a useful form       of cognition. But it is just that: A form of cognition – one that can go       right, wrong, or in any number of ways.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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