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|    Who Invented the Trinity? (1/2)    |
|    10 Mar 14 13:40:35    |
      From: bv8bv8bv8@gmail.com              Who Invented the Trinity?              1-How the concept of the Trinity was introduced into the Christian doctrine.       2-How the injected doctrine of the trinity remained part of the beliefs of the       Christians and how Islam defines God.                      What is the source of the Christian concept of the Trinity?       The three monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - all       purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being,       the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as "tawhid" in Islam, this       concept of the Oneness of        God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the "Shema", or the       Jewish creed of faith:              "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4)              It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus, when he       said:              "...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is       one Lord." (Mark 12:29)              Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message       again:              "And your God is One God: there is no God but He..." (Quran 2:163)              Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however,       into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth       century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both       within and outside the        Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the       Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine       persons - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in one divine being.              If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in       the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:              "...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one       Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all       one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are       co-eternal and co-equal...        he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity..." (excerpts       from the Athanasian Creed)              Let's put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus       one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one       person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?              It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed       that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly       expressing his thoughts regarding it.              How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?              Trinity in the Bible       References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.              In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to       all nations. While this "Great Commission" does make mention of the three       persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase "...baptizing       them in the name of the        Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is quite clearly an addition to       Biblical text - that is, not the actual words of Jesus - as can be seen by two       factors:              1) baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was       done only in the name of Jesus; and              2) the "Great Commission" was found in the first gospel written, that of       Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost - see Mark 16:15.              The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle       of 1 John 5:7. Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the       phrase:              "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the       Holy Ghost: and these three are one"              ...is definitely a "later addition" to Biblical text, and it is not found in       any of today's versions of the Bible.              It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was       not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine,       now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in       origin.              The Doctrine Takes Shape       While Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true       founder of Christianity, did formulate many of its doctrines, that of the       Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when       he put forth the idea of        Jesus being a "divine Son". After all, a Son does need a Father, and what       about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the       principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter       together.              Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third-century Church in Carthage,       was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the       Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being       of substance with the        Father.              A Formal Doctrine is Drawn Up       When controversy over the matter of the Trinity blew up in 318 between two       church men from Alexandria - Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop -       Emperor Constantine stepped into the fray.              Although Christian dogma was a complete mystery to him, he did realize that a       unified church was necessary for a strong kingdom. When negotiation failed to       settle the dispute, Constantine called for the first ecumenical council in       Church history in        order to settle the matter once and for all.              Six weeks after the 300 bishops first gathered at Nicea in 325, the doctrine       of the Trinity was hammered out. The God of the Christians was now seen as       having three essences, or natures, in the form of the Father, the Son, and the       Holy Spirit.              The Church Puts its Foot Down       The matter was far from settled, however, despite high hopes for such on the       part of Constantine. Arius and the new bishop of Alexandria, a man named       Athanasius, began arguing over the matter even as the Nicene Creed was being       signed; "Arianism" became        a catch-word from that time onward for anyone who didn't hold to the doctrine       of the Trinity.              It wasn't until 451, at the Council of Chalcedon that, with the approval of       the Pope, the Nicene/Constantinople Creed was set as authoritative. Debate on       the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now       considered blasphemy,        and such earned stiff sentences that ranged from mutilation to death.        Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands       because of a difference of opinion.              Debate Continues       Brutal punishments and even death did not stop the controversy over the       doctrine of the Trinity, however, and the said controversy continues even       today.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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