XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
      
   On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:46:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
      
   >mur wrote in news:cfs2kat7bmirb4et3itpn7grae2ejj3p2t@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford   
   >>  wrote: . . .   
   >>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of the   
   >>>capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite state   
   >>>which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e., diverging to   
   >>>literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for states to   
   >>>never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>   
   >>     Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>     individual, and   
   >> somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >> would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to do   
   >> it for.   
   >>   
   >>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>   
   >>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in fact   
   >>>a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the additional   
   >>>postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there is no logical   
   >>>limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and there exists no   
   >>>empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded. Thus, to   
   >>>believe that evolution has a finite cut-off would be to hold a belief   
   >>>without evidence, and thus it would be an irrational belief.   
   >>   
   >>     The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>     reptiles to   
   >> birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >> influenced evolution.   
   >   
   >   
   >  So you don't believe in evolution   
      
       Prevent your supposed evidence of that.   
      
   >but you   
   >also believe your god is influencing it.   
   >   
   >  Most odd.   
      
       You can't comprehend the basic possibility that God infuenced evolution.   
   Other people can.   
      
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