XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
   From: smiler@jo.king   
      
   On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:   
      
   > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >    
   > wrote:   
   > .   
   >>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford    
   >>>wrote:   
   >>>. . .   
   >>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of the   
   >>>>capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite state   
   >>>>which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e., diverging to   
   >>>>literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for states to   
   >>>>never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>>   
   >>>    Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>    individual, and   
   >>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >>>would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to do   
   >>>it for.   
   >>>   
   >>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in fact   
   >>>>a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the additional   
   >>>>postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there is no logical   
   >>>>limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and there exists no   
   >>>>empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded. Thus, to   
   >>>>believe that evolution has a finite cut-off would be to hold a belief   
   >>>>without evidence, and thus it would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>   
   >>>    The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>>    reptiles to   
   >>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >>>influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of transition   
   >>>species of all other types.   
   >>   
   >>How do you know that?   
   >   
   >     It is in itself.   
      
   Is that meant to mean something?   
      
   > How would you like to pretend it's not? Try to be specific   
   > for the first time.   
      
   You first.   
      
   --   
   Smiler, The godless one.   
   aa #2279   
   Gods are all tailored to order. They are made   
   to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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