XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
   From: smiler@jo.king   
      
   On Sat, 09 May 2015 22:07:13 +0000, Smiler wrote:   
      
   > On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:03 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:46:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>mur wrote in news:cfs2kat7bmirb4et3itpn7grae2ejj3p2t@4ax.com:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford   
   >>>>  wrote: . . .   
   >>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of the   
   >>>>>capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite state   
   >>>>>which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e., diverging to   
   >>>>>literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for states to   
   >>>>>never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>>     individual, and   
   >>>> somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >>>> would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to do   
   >>>> it for.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in fact   
   >>>>>a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the additional   
   >>>>>postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there is no logical   
   >>>>>limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and there exists   
   >>>>>no empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded. Thus, to   
   >>>>>believe that evolution has a finite cut-off would be to hold a belief   
   >>>>>without evidence, and thus it would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>>>     reptiles to   
   >>>> birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >>>> influenced evolution.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>  So you don't believe in evolution   
   >>   
   >>     Prevent your supposed evidence of that.   
   >   
   > Was that meant to be English?   
   >   
   >>>but you also believe your god is influencing it.   
   >>>   
   >>>  Most odd.   
   >>   
   >>     You can't comprehend the basic possibility that God infuenced   
   >>     evolution.   
   >> Other people can.   
   >   
   > What god would that be? The one you admit that you have no evidence for?   
      
      
      
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   to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.   
      
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