XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
      
   On Sat, 9 May 2015 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC), Smil wrote:   
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   >On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:02:41 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:26:47 -0700, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>    
   >> wrote:   
   >> .   
   >>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:07:11 -0400, mur wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford    
   >>>>wrote:   
   >>>>. . .   
   >>>>>Thus, immortality is logically inseparable from the existence of the   
   >>>>>capital-G God, since mathematically, immortality requires the   
   >>>>>existence of either an infinite computational state or a finite state   
   >>>>>which diverges to an infinite computational state (i.e., diverging to   
   >>>>>literal Godhead in all its fullness), thus allowing for states to   
   >>>>>never repeat and hence an infinite number of experiences.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Something would have to preserve the sense of self of the   
   >>>>    individual, and   
   >>>>somehow retain the sense of identity. From my position it seems God   
   >>>>would have to do that for himself and any other beings he chose to do   
   >>>>it for.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Consequently, transhumanism--if the goal by that position is   
   >>>>>immortality--is inherently theistic, not only in a lowercase-G god   
   >>>>>sense, but also in the capital-G God sense.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological   
   >>>>>evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in fact   
   >>>>>a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the additional   
   >>>>>postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there is no logical   
   >>>>>limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and there exists no   
   >>>>>empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded. Thus, to   
   >>>>>believe that evolution has a finite cut-off would be to hold a belief   
   >>>>>without evidence, and thus it would be an irrational belief.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    The fact that there are no beings in apparent transition from   
   >>>>    reptiles to   
   >>>>birds today, and very few fossil examples, is evidence that God   
   >>>>influenced evolution. The same is true for the lack of transition   
   >>>>species of all other types.   
   >>>   
   >>>How do you know that?   
   >>   
   >>     It is in itself.   
   >   
   >Is that meant to mean something?   
      
       Only to people who don't have faith that it doesn't mean anything. To them   
   it raises questions about what it does mean.   
      
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