XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism
On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:24:30 -0400, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
wrote:
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>On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:45:28 -0400, mur wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 May 2015 12:57:25 -0700, vallor wrote:
>>.
>>>On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, mur wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2015 22:35:59 -0400, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
>>>> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>> On 2015-05-09, mur wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:40:27 -0400, raven1 wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:27:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , mur wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:37:21 -0400, raven1
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:05:22 -0400, James Redford
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 20:46:19 -0400, raven1
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:16:40 -0400, James Redford
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, this also means that the existence of biological
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution, far from demonstrating that God is unnecessary, is in
fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a logical proof of God's existence *unless* one posits the
additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate that there is a limit to evolution. Yet there is no
logical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit to evolution other than infinite complexity; and there
exists no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> empirical evidence that evolution is finitely-bounded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if one granted those premises, there is no empirical evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> that any kind of God has, in fact, evolved yet, so at best they
would
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest that such a thing is possible, not prove that a God
exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the premises are trivially false (biological evolution
is,
>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact, constrained by chemistry and physics), that's a moot
point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But as the rest of my post which you here reply to, yet cut out,
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of
>>>>>>>>>>> Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) actually
>>>>>>>>>>> mathematically force the universe to diverge to infinite
computational
>>>>>>>>>>> power,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. As Pauli would say, it isn't even wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> becoming literally infinite in processor speed and infinite in
>>>>>>>>>>> memory space at the final singularity, of which singularity is
termed
>>>>>>>>>>> the Omega Point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or the "noosphere", if you read Teillard de Chardin, rather than
>>>>>>>>>> Tipler...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So far from physics constraining evolution, the known physical laws
>>>>>>>>>>> actually logically force the universe to evolve to infinite
complexity
>>>>>>>>>>> and infinite intelligence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice job moving the goalposts. What has this assertion to do with
>>>>>>>>>> *biological* evolution, which is, as I noted, constrained by
chemistry
>>>>>>>>>> and physics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that there are no examples of reptiles in transition
stages to
>>>>>>>>> birds, or mammals in transition stages to flying mammals, etc, alive
today is
>>>>>>>>> evidence that something (like God) had deliberate influence on
evolution.
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise why would it no longer be working as it did in the past?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a load of garbage.Evolution is happening all around us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's also just plain wrong about transitional fossils. Archaeopteryx,
>>>>>>> anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Present your quotes of me mentioning fossils, or be revealed as a
blatant
>>>>>> liar. I have mentioned Archaeopteryx in the past and the fact that
there aren't
>>>>>> a lot more examples is support for what I pointed out.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot more examples.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't you present a lot of them?
>>>>
>>>>> Do a little research.
>>>>
>>>> I'm doing research by challenging those of you who claim there are a
lot of
>>>> examples to present a lot of examples. So far the research shows VERY
CLEARLY
>>>> that you're lying and don't have any idea at all what you want people to
think
>>>> you think you're trying to talk about. That's a much better way of doing
>>>> research than to try to support YOUR claim FOR YOU. LOL....the very idea
of
>>>> doing that for you is HILARIOUS!!!
>>>
>>>When discussing ["There are a lot more examples"] ...it's up to _you_,
"mur", to be
>>>informed -- not for others to teach you.
>>
>> I've noticed that atheists never feel they need to support their claims,
or
>>give any indication that they have any idea what they want people to think
they
>>think they're trying to talk about.
>
> Athiesm does not involve making any claims.
"I know that gods are merely a figment of your deluded imagination" - Smiler
"I found out that your supposed god character is a lie." - Smiler
"If a person can not say with 100% clarity
that they know that there is no god that there will never be a god and
there has never been a god, then that person is NOT an atheist." - bilgat@m.nu
"Just as You know that superman does not exist I can
tell you with the same assuredness that god does not exist" - bilgat@m.nu
"I have admitted numerous times that I *KNOW* there is not god. On this planet
or any others for that matter." - bilgat@m.nu
"There is no god." - Malte Runz
"I showed an example of evidence that proves god does not exist." - Malte Runz
"It is clear that there is no need for an intelligent being." - Free Lunch
"all gods are human inventions" - Free Lunch
"The gods of the theists who bother us here don't exist, even in non-god form."
- Free Lunch
"If a god really existed there would be no reason to have 'evidence' of his
existence. It would be apparent to all. No need to question because all sorts
of
magical events would be common place." - knight@baawa.com
"Well, there you have it, a proof that god does not exist." - Olrik
"As I said .. if the evidence is NOT where it should be if the proposition
were true, then means the proposition is not true. It is simple and
undeniable logic." - "Wizard-Of-Oz"
"I showed an example of evidence that proves god does not exist." -
"Wizard-Of-Oz"
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