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   Intelligent Party to All   
   82,500 New Cases 7/13/2020, 100,000 New    
   13 Jul 20 11:57:17   
   
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   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   50% Increase in New Cases, every 10 days.   
      
   My unscientific, ad hoc (educated) guesstimation...   
      
      
   The 150,000 could come much faster.  This is up up and away.   
      
   We know stay-at-home works.   
      
   2,000 new cases per day in California before stay-at-home abandoned before   
   5/30.   
   8,000 new cases per day in California now, in 6 weeks.   
      
   We cannot continue stay-at-home without government money.   
      
   Moving around = social distancing.   
      
   It's sitting in one place, especially indoors, that gets someone infected with   
   COVID.   
      
   Work, commercial parties, restaurants, barber shops, nail salons, public   
   transportation.   
      
   Unless you "catch cold."  Even at the gym, you MOVE AROUND while in it,   
   compared   
   to sitting at one place in a restaurant, at work, or at a party, breathing the   
   virus in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out.   
      
   Employee protections matter.  You can't employee people to commit self-harm.   
   Commerce is exploitation, but instead of prohibition, we proceed as follows.   
      
   We deserve a forbearance on all old rent and debt, and $1,250 per month for   
   every   
   man woman and child.  Or else we have to go socialist, figuring there will   
   never   
   be a vaccine, nor an eradication of COVID, and have no forbearance, and   
   default on   
   the properties now, and have $2,500 per month for every man woman and child,   
   you   
   can finance $200,000 in home equity, with 100% LTV, and no work documentation   
   required for such loans, $1,250 per month.  Eradication would require 3-4   
   months   
   of no new cases per day.  There has been no vaccine for HIV in 40 years, yet   
   they   
   have vaccines for the new flu frequently, how does the flu compare to   
   coronavirus,   
   study that.   
   If there is never any vaccine nor eradication, we are loosing time waiting for   
   either, and how long should we wait before going in a new direction?  1.5   
   years?   
   That is 1.5 years lost.  Should we not move in a new direction immediately?  So   
   $2,500 per month for every man, woman, and child.  All employee protections are   
   based on extreme discouragements, and advisements, NO GESTAPO LAWS, but work   
   from   
   home if you can.  Make your own decisions.  Coronavirus is never going away.    
   ALL   
   EMPLOYEE ADVISEMENTS.  ALL CONSUMER ADVISEMENTS, likewise. Advertising,   
   Marketing,   
   Product Labeling, Advisement.   
      
   Consumer protections matter.   
      
   The minimum wage will be $2,500 per month after taxes additionally, and after   
   you   
   make a certain amount $60,000-$200,000+, you pay the $30,000 free money back.   
   More   
   than a flat tax, a flat amount.  Also at a certain point we have a 75% Federal   
   sales tax, to encourage everyone to hold the capital. 70% wouldn't do that.    
   But   
   80% would make them maybe not care enough about their capital.  The $2,500 will   
   vary across the nation, by the County, and be 65% per capita GDP of the county,   
   both for the free money from the government, and for the minimum wage.   
      
   The $1,250 or $2,500 shall be sent in T-Bills or Bonds.  If the bonds aren't   
   converted cash, there is no effect.  So, for people without bank accounts, we   
   will   
   have to send registered bonds.  The registered bonds will be transferable to   
   book-entry bonds, or cash.  The Fed will guarantee to buy all the free money   
   bonds   
   for sure, and if the Fed wants to sell bonds, it will sell other bonds.   
      
   As to the forbearance, you know, if the tenant can't pay the property owner,   
   because they don't have revenues due to COVID; a movie theater, a department   
   store, are not going to be rented out to another tenant, who are not going to   
   earn   
   revenues either.  A restaurant or nightclub, and the property owner won't be   
   able   
   to rent and pay their mortgage to the bank.  The bank could be left holding   
   possibly worthless property anyway, or just land.  Also, other companies, such   
   as   
   airlines, you know, the idea was, an economic pause, COVID might be eradicated   
   or   
   vaccinated against, and then those airlines could start right back up, and not   
   have to build the company from scratch, and other such companies with debt   
   payments can go bankrupt, and fold, escalating, like dominoes, more   
   unemployment,   
   less revenues.  Plus, just general unemployment, people could have a stay on   
   their   
   mortgages, and on their rent or else renters be not able to pay rent at all, or   
   spend down their savings, and then not be able to pay rent, while passive   
   incomes   
   are earned by landlords and equity owners who don't do anything, as rental   
   payments and interest on debt, and the banks earn revenues and may pay   
   dividends.   
   But I guess if we go with this $2,500 plan, then there is $1,250 to pay rent;   
   and   
   you should get out of that rent as soon as possible, and buy $200,000, and the   
   rental properties will be converted into for sale housing or hotels.  And you   
   can   
   get a job and earn more, and buy a nicer home.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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