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   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   I don't have a moral mandate, but after seeing 24 Hour Fitness and Gold's Gym,   
   2   
   of the largest health clubs chains in the industry, declare bankruptcy, I am   
   appalled.  I declare we should at least just keep paying club dues, to keep our   
   clubs alive.  If the Health Club industry actually MAKES money off of this, by   
   saving on operating costs during COVID, we'll BUILD the health club industry,   
   which WANTS.  At least say you can quit the club without penalty, and get your   
   membership back after COVID, without penalty, but OTHERWISE they'll keep   
   charging   
   you.  So it's like a donation, but you have to care, to not donate.  This is a   
   club, not an a la carte restaurant.  While other than that, I don't have a   
   moral   
   mandate, here are some of my thoughts:   
      
   Some people need to exercise to stay healthy.  They may be recovering from   
   physical therapy and have more serious health issues which require exercise.    
   That   
   this point, is not factored in, at least for them, is an abominable error, but   
   everyone needs exercise, and we don't all have home gyms.   
      
   People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and   
   commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID.  Commercial indoor   
   entertainment which requires masks off, should probably be stopped in every   
   State.   
     So you could be in a movie theater with no popcorn, no food, and no drink,   
   wearing a mask, social distanced.  This would be safer than a bar or a   
   restaurant   
   where people talk and socialize face to face while eating and drinking with   
   their   
   masks off, likely spewing spit in each other's faces.  (A drive-in theater,   
   with a   
   drive-thru restaurant, would be better though, and as to a comparison to the   
   office...).  And then their COVID laced plates are bused by the busboy.   
      
   Why isn't there a map, showing every new case of COVID - at least the street,   
   if   
   not address, and where they likely picked it up.  What if several people had   
   gotten COVID at a certain store, wouldn't it make you think maybe the   
   ventilation   
   wasn't sufficient there, and you wouldn't shop there, reducing the number of   
   COVID   
   cases?   
      
   Outdoors masks off, or indoors masks on - which is safer?   
      
   I understand OUTDOOR restaurants are open for one reason and one reason only,   
   and   
   that is the $899 Billion dollar industry that employs 10% of the workforce, and   
   makes up 4% of U.S. GDP, $889 Billion/$20 Trillion = 4.5%.  15 million people   
   are   
   employed by the restaurant industry, while nationwide there the number of total   
   tax returns in the United States in all industries was 110 Million full-time,   
   and   
   160 million including part time.   
      
   If the switch to all take-out was made, what would be the effect on the   
   economy?   
      
   Waiters and busboys aren't producing equity anyways.  It's not a product, but a   
   service!  Like paying a whore vs. a porn star.  At least we'll have those   
   Pornos   
   forever.   
      
   After Shelter-In-Place was over, California was 6 weeks with no masks on, at   
   Restaurants and Bars and Commercial Parties, where they drink beer, with masks   
   off, and now the Governor wants to fuck with the gyms and churches.   
      
   Gyms could enact extra safety measures, such as stationary equipment 6' or 12'   
   or   
   25' apart, and be inspected for fresh air and ventilation.  Churches can   
   obviously   
   hold services outdoors with masks, and 6' apart (but not so much when the snow   
   comes in other States), but they certainly don't have to, and have the   
   prerogative   
   to make that call themselves.   
      
   People using gyms are moving around, and more likely healthy.  People in   
   Churches,   
   are more conscientious, and likely to wear their masks correctly; unlike an NFL   
   stadium, and unlike a drunken bar or commercial party.   
      
   I note no one advised Churches everywhere across the country, to just hold   
   services outside, all this time, or at a park.  Governors have every right to   
   advise, and plead with churches to modify their activities, however well or   
   mal-founded their notions may be, unless the Churches tell them to stop   
   harassing;   
   and no one, has any more right, to threaten or force Churches, nor private   
   parties, than I have a right to threaten or force anyone.  The stupidest thing   
   in   
   the world is to be inside without a mask on, for non-essential activities, in a   
   room with someone you will not even talk to.   
      
   Healthclubs should be open, and strongly cautioned against, yet those who   
   choose   
   to use them, should be monitored for Coronavirus, so we find out if it is   
   spreading among those who use clubs at all, and continue monitoring unless   
   COVID   
   is ever gone.  So healthclub patrons can be guineapigs, and we'll see.  So a   
   big   
   point would be: have you used a healthclub in the past so many days/weeks, for   
   anyone who tests positive.  I would not be surprised if it is not spreading   
   there   
   at all.   
      
   Some people need to exercise to stay healthy.  They may be recovering from   
   physical therapy and have more serious health issues which require exercise.    
   That   
   this point, is not factored in, at least for them, is an abominable error, but   
   everyone needs exercise, and we don't all have home gyms.   
      
   People eating and drinking, and talking with their masks off at restaurants and   
   commercial parties, are the ones certainly spreading COVID.   
      
      
   Biggest question besides the above, is personal services: hair salons, nail   
   salons, waxing, tattoo and piercing parlors, non-medicinal massages.   
      
   So then are those activities going to be outside too?  Should every place have   
   some sort of super fresh air machines we produce now?  Are there air purifiers   
   that could filter out COVID?  Is outside really going to be safe?   
      
   It's been 6 months, we have to make this sustainable, without putting our   
   lives at   
   too great of risk.  It could be 6 years.   
      
      
      
   What's with open up the economy as soon as COVID's reduced, and let it spread   
   again, just to close it again?  It would have to be eradicated for 3-4 months   
   or   
   it will just start spreading again.   
      
   WE HAVE TO GO TO SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS, AND AREN'T THE EAT-IN RESTAURANTS ALL   
   TO   
   BLAME?  How do we know?  How do we know where it's spreading?  We don't have   
   better tracking of this?   
      
   New York and New Jersey, were apparently succeeding better than California,   
   even   
   though they had eat-in restaurants, but they have since for some reason fallen   
   substantially.   
      
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